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Self-Driving Cars Must Meet 15 Benchmarks in U.S. Guidance

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Post by hx87 »

JamesLeonis wrote: post #93
roninb wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd ask, in any area, why does your form trump my function?

Tourism. I lived near a small historic town with many buildings standing since the 1850s. Tourism is a HUGE industry that brings in dollars to local businesses. It's in the town's interest to preserve that income, so they mandate color and style codes for new buildings as well as restoring older buildings. This is complemented with many folksy festivals and re-enactments as part of drawing in tourist dollars. When pe…

As long as the codes are written by people who know their architecture and architectural history 100%, I am completely comfortable with that. It's just that I've had far too many experiences with historical preservation codes written by amateurs with limited knowledge of architectural history who effectively ban any attempts at making a building more airtight and efficient while letting aesthetic travesties like asphalt shingle roofing and poorly proportioned window trim stand.

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Post by witty_username »

JamesLeonis wrote: post #86
dsr_ wrote: post #68

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Why is that? I can see why there would be regulations on brick quality, but why color?

I used to live near an old historic town with buildings standing since the 1850s. New people and businesses are moving in all the time and stuff needs to be built. The town uses color codes and other design elements to preserve both the older buildings as well as making newer buildings match the historic tone. This is explicitly done to promote and keep tourism flowing into the town, which is a HUGE part of their inc…

Why does the government need to prioritize the interest of people who profit from tourism [hereafter I will call them "tourism people"]?

Why don't "tourism people" just pay people constructing buildings to use the colour "tourism people" want? That should be fair to both parties.

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Post by notahacker »

BurningFrog wrote: post #58
e40 wrote: post #18

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Many people automatically assume a government can't make up sensible regulations. There are a lot of them in the US. It's a meme you hear all the time, especially in a POTUS election year.

Economists, based on empirical research, by and large agree that "Regulatory Capture" will normally make regulations work in the interest of the major companies in an industry, rather than the public interest. This is a social science result, not a meme.

Belief in the pervasiveness of regulatory capture is really less the product of empirical research and more a restatement of fundamental principles of liberal economic theory as old as Smith, buttressed by some good anecdotes from certain markets. When it comes to actual empirical research, disentangling the interests of the public and established corporations is pretty difficult: often they are shared, particularly when it comes to safety regulations.

It'd be easy enough to show that a future testing regimes increase the market share of domestic self-driving car manufacturers and push the market price up; less easy to show that it wasn't also in the public interest to have that testing regime in place.

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Post by rayiner »

2bitencryption wrote: post #95
owyn wrote: post #79

It wasn't mentioned in the bloomberg article, but the 15 areas covered are: • Data Recording and Sharing • Privacy • System Safety • Vehicle Cybersecurity • Human Machine Interface • Crashworthiness • Consumer Education and Training • Registration and Certi cation • Post-Crash Behavior • Federal, State and Local Laws • Ethical Considerations • Operational Design Domain (operating in rain, etc) • Object and Event Dete…

This seems suspiciously like government getting something right... with regards to a quickly-evolving new technology market... has this ever happened before?

Can you think of a concrete example where the government got it wrong?[1] For the sake of argument, the federal government in the last 50 years? Maybe the encryption export ban. Or the CDA, but that was quickly reversed and the part that's left (Section 230) was really instrumental in the rise of the modern web.

[1] And I don't mean wrong as in "NSA spying" because you disagree with the policy. I mean like, "regulations mandated everyone use Beta tapes and laser disk even though they quickly became obsolete."

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Post by acchow »

chipperyman573 wrote: post #110
vblord wrote: post #97

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Interesting "Federal, State and Local Laws". So what happens when the self driving car violates a law and the police office pulls it over. Who gets the ticket? If there is no steering wheel... can it even get pulled over?

If I were to guess, once self-driving cars are widespread, cars won't be pulled over any more for driving-related issues (ie, cops won't radar any more). However, they will probably be required to have a kill switch that can pull it over for other reasons (ie, if the cops thought your car was the getaway vehicle from a bank robbery) This is of course once almost all cars are self-driving so it'll be interesting to se…

> If I were to guess, once self-driving cars are widespread, cars won't be pulled over any more for driving-related issues

There will still be black people in cars

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Post by kelvin0 »

sharemywin wrote: post #101
owyn wrote: post #79

It wasn't mentioned in the bloomberg article, but the 15 areas covered are: • Data Recording and Sharing • Privacy • System Safety • Vehicle Cybersecurity • Human Machine Interface • Crashworthiness • Consumer Education and Training • Registration and Certi cation • Post-Crash Behavior • Federal, State and Local Laws • Ethical Considerations • Operational Design Domain (operating in rain, etc) • Object and Event Dete…

Now if the could just come up with some "Data recording and Privacy" regulations for all electronic devices. So, Google and Facebook can stop creeping me out. They're like the creepy neighbors that always look at out the window to see what I'm doing.

Do you need to use their services? Have been (mostly) Google and Facebook free for a long time, and I don't live under a rock. Maybe you should also try the "FB&G"-free diet too ...? (It's not for everyone :-)

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Post by notahacker »

andrewpi wrote: post #115
sharemywin wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that you signed a contract when you bought the property.

Search for the "unconstitutional conditions doctrine". Government can't get around constitutional limits via contract requirements.

Since when was choice of brick colour a constitutionally protected right?

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Post by dougmany »

vblord wrote: post #97
owyn wrote: post #79

It wasn't mentioned in the bloomberg article, but the 15 areas covered are: • Data Recording and Sharing • Privacy • System Safety • Vehicle Cybersecurity • Human Machine Interface • Crashworthiness • Consumer Education and Training • Registration and Certi cation • Post-Crash Behavior • Federal, State and Local Laws • Ethical Considerations • Operational Design Domain (operating in rain, etc) • Object and Event Dete…

Interesting "Federal, State and Local Laws". So what happens when the self driving car violates a law and the police office pulls it over. Who gets the ticket? If there is no steering wheel... can it even get pulled over?

I imagine it would be like radio tag toll lanes now. If you go through and do not have a tag, they mail the vehicle owner the ticket. Most violations would not need stops. I don't think private vehicle ownership will survive self driving cars.

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Post by ChuckMcM »

ticklemyelmo wrote: post #109
owyn wrote: post #79

It wasn't mentioned in the bloomberg article, but the 15 areas covered are: • Data Recording and Sharing • Privacy • System Safety • Vehicle Cybersecurity • Human Machine Interface • Crashworthiness • Consumer Education and Training • Registration and Certi cation • Post-Crash Behavior • Federal, State and Local Laws • Ethical Considerations • Operational Design Domain (operating in rain, etc) • Object and Event Dete…

The cynic in me immediately interpreted "Post-Crash Behavior" as the exact opposite priority from "Privacy".

I was thinking it meant the car would not drive itself away and hide after a collision :-)
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