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Re: Steve Jobs Has Just Gone Mad

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

ahi wrote: post #43
tibbon wrote: post #20

So Frameworks like Unity for game development are basically dead, making it so that indie developers who don't have the money/ability to write their entire engines from scratch are nearly banished and putting only the AAA title makers in the running. Great...

That is precisely the point. They don't need more apps, they need more AAA apps.

The question is who the next AAA title makers are going to be. What kind of culture will they emerge from? What will be the platform of choice for the first game of that as yet unknown small company that is going to be the next the AAA title maker?

Re: Steve Jobs Has Just Gone Mad

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Post by rbanffy »

MichaelGG wrote: post #93
akmiller wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft, as all companies would, is going to use their successful product(s) to push other products that they create. They had 95%+ of the OS market and simply wanted to push the use of their browser to those individuals. That doesn't and never has seemed like a dirty tactic to me. Apple pushes its own products over its competitors on the iPhone. You won't see Opera on the default dock bar on the iPhone anytime soo…

Well, Windows Phone 7 only allows verified CLI bytecode apps, which practically speaking means Firefox won't be compiling for it anytime soon. But MS doesn't care how you compile, just as long as the bytecode checks out safe.

And Windows Phone 7 is not a dominant player in any segment.

Re: Steve Jobs Has Just Gone Mad

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Post by Raphael_Amiard »

vegashacker wrote: post #10

Sure I've had my moments of App Store frustration, but all in all, I haven't been as offended by it as a lot of folks. I think that's because I felt that Apple was giving me something that I couldn't easily find elsewhere (single point of distribution that everyone knows about, very few taps for users to install my apps, the ability to easily charge for apps), so I was okay if they were a little particular about the…

I think most people are missing the point. Of course this restriction is stupid. But in itself it's just that. Stupid.

But what is really incredible is the fact that apple enforces that at a moment where a whole lot of people's businesses depends on the features they just forbid. Every app developped with some sort of language layer is concerned, and there is a lot of them.

This is basically saying to every people doing business WITH them, we don't care about you, you're expendable. We don't care about your business and if something bothers us in the slightest fashion and you're in the way, we will drop you out.

I never developped for the iPhone. Thought about it sometimes. Unless things change, i never will.

Re: Steve Jobs Has Just Gone Mad

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Post by bad_user »

michael_dorfman wrote: post #112
ComputerGuru wrote: post #108

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See, that's because you're not affected. My last name does happen to start with a Q, and I happen to like Barnes and Noble. So WTF would I let them stop me? Yes, I would be very much PO'd about it, and make a hissy-fit.

You're right, it's an imperfect analogy. Let's say, instead: Barnes and Noble decides they only want to sell non-fiction books. Sure, it's arbitrary, and it's probably bad business, but: it's their store. Now, suppose you are a fiction writer. Still going to throw that hissy fit?

> Barnes and Noble decides they only want to sell non-fiction books

No, a better analogy is if Barnes and Noble decides they only want to sell creationism books.

Re: Steve Jobs Has Just Gone Mad

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Post by stcredzero »

tptacek wrote: post #39
andygeers wrote: post #32

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Some of us have already invested over a grand buying Macbooks and Unity licenses and test iPod Touches specifically so that we can develop games for the iPhone, though... Would have been nice to have known in advance that this would be ruled out!

Conceded completely: that sucks.

This is a step above just saying, "It's our ball, you can't play!" This is waiting until someone goes and buys a bat and only then telling them they can't play.

Re: Steve Jobs Has Just Gone Mad

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Post by lukev »

vetinari wrote: post #94
tptacek wrote: post #18

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REALLY. Saying "no alternate compilers on our hardware" is worse than using the threat of yanking OEM licenses for the then-monopoly desktop OS if they dared to feature another company's browser on the desktop?

How many another companies' browsers are there for iPhone/iPad? Exactly.

Uhh... http://www.opera.com/press/releases/2010/03/23_3/

Re: Steve Jobs Has Just Gone Mad

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Post by potatolicious »

lallysingh wrote: post #100
potatolicious wrote: post #78

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The iPhone is POSIX, but not to you as the developer. Porting Torque to the iPhone will have to be done by GarageGames, not by you - even if you pull it off it will certainly be violating a laundry list of App Store rules.

.. but you get the source & build tools. Why can't I do it?

Well, for one thing, you have no file system - and that's just first among the list of POSIX-y things that Apple internally has access to, but you do not as a 3rd-party.

The amount of plumbing to be ripped out is pretty extreme given that you don't have access to large bits of the OS.

Not to mention Torque is not written with OpenGL ES in mind - so you'd have to rewrite not only plumbing, but some core graphics code.

To make it an Apple-compliant app, porting Torque (or most desktop engines for that matter) is simply not feasible/worthwhile.

Re: Steve Jobs Has Just Gone Mad

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Post by ghshephard »

bad_user wrote: post #124
michael_dorfman wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, it's an imperfect analogy. Let's say, instead: Barnes and Noble decides they only want to sell non-fiction books. Sure, it's arbitrary, and it's probably bad business, but: it's their store. Now, suppose you are a fiction writer. Still going to throw that hissy fit?

> Barnes and Noble decides they only want to sell non-fiction books No, a better analogy is if Barnes and Noble decides they only want to sell creationism books.

That's an excellent analogy. Those of us who prefer science based books would go elsewhere, while those who loved the comforting and protected "Creationist" environment would find a good home at B&N.

Science Based authors aren't owed a living by B&N, and would have to sell their books elsewhere.

Re: Steve Jobs Has Just Gone Mad

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Post by bad_user »

thenduks wrote: post #38

I don't get this at all. Why does everyone act like the iPhone should be as 'open' as an OS on your computer? Did everyone forget that when the iPhone shipped you couldn't write apps at all ? You can't write apps in Erlang for your Zune, your PS3, your cable modem, your microwave, your car or your apartments alarm system... no one cares. Yes, Apple wants (insists, even, if this ToS becomes final) you to use their too…

Everyday I see iPhone this and IPad that. I think some people like getting abused by Apple.

Apple should do well to remember that they need us more than we need them. It's the availability of apps that makes or breaks any OS.

And you know what? In my country the iPhone is only popular with the tech crowd. Nokia is the leader here, and Vodafone (the largest mobile operator here and the direct competitor to Orange, which is shipping iPhones) is said to start shipping Motorola Droids and Nexus Ones.

So IMHO, Apple can fuck off.

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Post by commieneko »

CoryMathews wrote: post #16
commieneko wrote: post #2

No, Steve Jobs is not insane, this interpretation of the new rule is insane. Apple is merely (!) trying to control what tools people use to create software on their platform. I can understand why they want to do this, just as I can understand why I might, or might not want to comply. The legal terms used are to give Apple the tools it needs to get compliance. The only real issue is: do you want to develop for this pl…

Really shocked by your comment.. How can you even start to say that any company controlling how developers write their code is acceptable? It's complete BS. If I want to write it in (insert language here) and compile it into a compatible binary thats my choice not theirs. If I want to write it in Actionscript and compile down to objective-c who are they to say that I cannot? "There are possibly some anti-competitive…

It is acceptable for Apple to sell its hardware/software under any kind license that it wants to, as long as it isn't illegal. No one is under any obligation to develop for their platform. There are very real advantages to their closed wall approach; which console device makers have been doing for years.

You pays your money and takes your choice (or visa versa...)

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