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Angular 2 Final Released

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Re: Angular 2 Final Released

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Post by axihack »

indexerror wrote: post #114
jacobsenscott wrote: post #20

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That's Conway's law for you. All three frameworks were built by meglogcorp, and they all feel exactly the same. It is funny that after the Rails driven success web devs had moving away from J2EE they are falling right back into the same traps - ultra complex bloated frameworks built on a terrible language.

> ultra complex bloated frameworks built on a terrible language Even if you consider JS a bad language, proper abstractions can change the face of it entirely. By your logic, assembly is also bad since it is absurd to write anything useful in it. IMO Elm is a step in the right direction.

I've been doing a lot of FE for many years now and have worked with all major frameworks and I love JS and its flexibility. That being said I think we've been building one framework after another trying to abstract the things that make JS a language not suitable for state dependent apps. Elm feels like the right step compared to anything else out there.

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Post by flukus »

jasonkester wrote: post #120
gkoberger wrote: post #6

As someone who uses Angular 1 currently but would pick React for their next project, I'd love to see a list of reasons why I should use Angular 2 over React. If nothing else, Angular just stranded all their developers, while React has a huge head start on mindshare/plugins/tutorials/etc.

I recently started a new front-end-heavy project and ended up just using Angular 1 instead of React. The decider for me was the amount of tooling that React needs you to have in place just to get up and running. React expects you to do your development on some flavor of Unix, and really doesn't have a sane plan for Windows, so you lose VS.NET and its huge productivity gains. And it needs tools upon tools upon tools t…

This mirrors my experience with react native. Not only did you have the react tools, but all the android tools. The abstraction leaked for me at the hello world stage where one dependency changed but I had no idea what our where without learning the entire stack.

Re: Angular 2 Final Released

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Post by edoceo »

flukus wrote: post #122
jasonkester wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently started a new front-end-heavy project and ended up just using Angular 1 instead of React. The decider for me was the amount of tooling that React needs you to have in place just to get up and running. React expects you to do your development on some flavor of Unix, and really doesn't have a sane plan for Windows, so you lose VS.NET and its huge productivity gains. And it needs tools upon tools upon tools t…

This mirrors my experience with react native. Not only did you have the react tools, but all the android tools. The abstraction leaked for me at the hello world stage where one dependency changed but I had no idea what our where without learning the entire stack.

See RiotJS

Re: Angular 2 Final Released

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Post by waltero »

eitally wrote: post #41
dfsegoat wrote: post #28

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Yeah - we consult with an angular + Java group (for angular only) --- I can't understand half of what they are talking about when they talk about Enterprise level Java web projects. Java for Hadoop, Spark etc I work with daily.

Enterprise projects tend to have way more convoluted business logic and interfaces than consumer stuff -- it doesn't get nearly the love it deserves imho. Those developers, DBAs, devops folks, and sysadmins suffer sooooo much every day.

absolutely - but typically you can't get all this pain across to the 'business' because of an enormous lack of understanding. As long as the buttons in the GUI look nice and shiny, who cares what happens further under the hood..

Re: Angular 2 Final Released

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Post by skybrian »

cybernet wrote: post #116
namelezz wrote: post #100

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Do you know of any large projects that use Angular 2? I just want see how readable the projects are.

Google AdWords - hope thats big enough.

A caveat: they are using the Dart fork (now maintained by the Dart team) which is not what this announcement is about. Not sure what the biggest Typescript app is.

Re: Angular 2 Final Released

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Post by doczoidberg »

Nodody mentioned angular universal here. I think it's a big win to prerender the SPA on the server. It's faster, more mobile friendly and pages can be indexed by search engines.

IDEs have to implement better support for NG2 but this will come over time.

Re: Angular 2 Final Released

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Post by j_jochem »

doczoidberg wrote: post #127

Nodody mentioned angular universal here. I think it's a big win to prerender the SPA on the server. It's faster, more mobile friendly and pages can be indexed by search engines. IDEs have to implement better support for NG2 but this will come over time.

As far as I know, Google does index SPAs that are only rendered in the browser.

Re: Angular 2 Final Released

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Post by lacker »

jasonkester wrote: post #120
gkoberger wrote: post #6

As someone who uses Angular 1 currently but would pick React for their next project, I'd love to see a list of reasons why I should use Angular 2 over React. If nothing else, Angular just stranded all their developers, while React has a huge head start on mindshare/plugins/tutorials/etc.

I recently started a new front-end-heavy project and ended up just using Angular 1 instead of React. The decider for me was the amount of tooling that React needs you to have in place just to get up and running. React expects you to do your development on some flavor of Unix, and really doesn't have a sane plan for Windows, so you lose VS.NET and its huge productivity gains. And it needs tools upon tools upon tools t…

And it needs tools upon tools upon tools to set up, whateverify, transpile and pack the files you write into something that can display in a browser.

I think this was true six months ago but now there is create-react-app. You might want to try it out - you won't need to whateverify your code, you just need that one tool. Also it works on Windows.

https://github.com/facebookincubator/create-react-app

I want to edit some HTML and Javascript, then reload the browser and see my changes.

With create-react-app the browser will know you've made a change, and reload for you ;-)

Re: Angular 2 Final Released

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Post by [deleted] »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #39

I use Angular 2 in production since November 19, 2015 (alpha.46). Currently I've built 3 web apps (40, 60 and 20 components each), 3 mobile apps (with Ionic 2) and my employer have plans for more apps. Breaking changes during alpha stage were expected, so I didn't have issues with it. Most positive things I want to highlight: 1. Components are encapsulated and truly reusable (and without dependencies hell). 2. You do…

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