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Google Takes on Uber with New Ride-Share Service

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Re: Google Takes on Uber with New Ride-Share Service

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When I was younger and financially unstable, I had a decision to make. Take a crappy restaurant job or live out of my car. I chose to live out of my car. Every time I hear the argument that people in the restaurant industry are getting unfair pay, I ask myself, "I wonder who made that decision to work there in the first place" Stop this bullshit tipping. These people made a choice and then chose to complain about it.…

Not everyone has a choice, for example if you had kids at the time then living in your car would be unacceptable. Meanwhile, restaurant patrons make a choice to eat somewhere where tipping is customary.

Re: Google Takes on Uber with New Ride-Share Service

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How are they vetting drivers? I wouldn't trust a driver if all they had to do to qualify is download the Waze app.

As part of registration, the app asks for your work email address, and sends a verification email there. The pilot program is only open to few companies around Google Mountain view, like LinkedIn.

Re: Google Takes on Uber with New Ride-Share Service

#123

Can we stop calling every new taxi service "ride sharing"? Are people "sharing" anything in any meaningful way? The drivers car isn't shared, he sells a ride, that's a Taxi. A medallion or other arbitrary system doesn't define what a taxi is. Can I tell uber I want to share a ride to the airport with any stranger? (my taxi co will do that)?

> Can we stop calling every new taxi service "ride sharing"? Yes, but this is a ridesharing service, not a taxi service. > Can I tell uber I want to share a ride to the airport with any stranger? (my taxi co will do that)? Isn't that exactly what UberPOOL is?

My point really that we always had ride sharing, it's car pools (which is obvious from Ubers naming). The regular uber is a taxi service and a service for organizing car pools is a car pool service.

I agree that uberPool and this is much more ridesharing.

Re: Google Takes on Uber with New Ride-Share Service

#124

Can we stop calling every new taxi service "ride sharing"? Are people "sharing" anything in any meaningful way? The drivers car isn't shared, he sells a ride, that's a Taxi. A medallion or other arbitrary system doesn't define what a taxi is. Can I tell uber I want to share a ride to the airport with any stranger? (my taxi co will do that)?

> Can we stop calling every new taxi service "ride sharing"? Yes, but this is a ridesharing service, not a taxi service. > Can I tell uber I want to share a ride to the airport with any stranger? (my taxi co will do that)? Isn't that exactly what UberPOOL is?

My point really that we always had ride sharing, it's car pools (which is obvious from Ubers naming). The regular uber is a taxi service and a service for organizing car pools is a car pool service.

I agree that uberPool and this is much more ridesharing.

Re: Google Takes on Uber with New Ride-Share Service

#125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's not obligatory to tip then it should be obligatory to pay people a living wage, in any context.

Living wage destroys the ability for people to make a little extra on the side with part-time gigs.

You realize that "living wage" is only a price floor for labor, not a price ceiling, right? It is a guarantee that people are paid at a minimum the amount necessary to support themselves, with various definitions excluding or including that person's family situation from consideration.

Instituting a living wage would in no way prevent you from working extra and being paid extra for that work. I'm inclined to believe you haven't actually researched what a living wage is or would entail to enact, because the inaccuracy of the claim you're making is egregious.

Re: Google Takes on Uber with New Ride-Share Service

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The students at my Alma Mater (University of Waterloo) organize similar carpools to/from Toronto via Facebook Group. The only vetting for drivers and passengers alike is that you have to claim to be a student on Facebook. It's extremely popular nonetheless.

If it's a subgroup of https://www.facebook.com/groups/groupsatwaterloo/ then it would require an @uwaterloo.ca email to join the group.

Ah, you're right. It's been a while :)

Re: Google Takes on Uber with New Ride-Share Service

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Honestly I wish they wouldn't try to compete on price. Maybe I'm alone with this, but I'd rather not feel obligated to tip a driver because the ride is so cheap. Pay them a living wage, let me pay the exact fee, and let me not have to carry goddamn cash like I used to in the era of Taxis. e: Addressing common replies: "This is for people commuting already" -- okay, point taken; my point about Uber/Lyft still stands.…

> yes, it kind of is.

No it's not, and you're ruining things by tipping.

I hate tipping.

Re: Google Takes on Uber with New Ride-Share Service

#128

When I was younger and financially unstable, I had a decision to make. Take a crappy restaurant job or live out of my car. I chose to live out of my car. Every time I hear the argument that people in the restaurant industry are getting unfair pay, I ask myself, "I wonder who made that decision to work there in the first place" Stop this bullshit tipping. These people made a choice and then chose to complain about it.…

It is very interesting. I worked in restaurants for many years and I never knew a server who made less than the back staff - usually they made several multiples of their pay in a night.

I assume it's because servers (and I was one!) feel generally more empowered when it comes to their pay; they think complaining will accomplish something (strengthen social norms to tip), while kitchen staff know that what they get is what they get.

No doubt server pay varies wildly, but I worked at a cheap buffet essentially just bussing tables and I never made less than kitchen staff and sometimes made up to 6x what they would make in a shift - usually about 3x, and management directed that we report the minimum amount possible, to get out of their payroll tax contribution, I assume.

On top of that, employers are in fact nominally required to pay the difference between their tipped wage and the "real" minimum wage if they don't get enough tips (for some reason this isn't commonly known) to make the difference, but that situation is probably rare enough that businesses skate by without fulfilling their legal duty. [1]

Frankly, I liked waiting tables and I'd do it again if it paid as much as programming. It's not all that crappy. :) And at the same time, I have a lot less sympathy for servers than I used to. Save your sympathy for the people who are paid minimum wage and don't get tips. Yes, that server is getting $2.15 instead of $7.25, but a) the business is required to make up the difference between $2.15 + tips and $7.25 and b) no server I have ever heard of, anywhere, is making less than $7.25/hour with tips.

[1] https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/wagestips

Re: Google Takes on Uber with New Ride-Share Service

#130

Can we stop calling every new taxi service "ride sharing"? Are people "sharing" anything in any meaningful way? The drivers car isn't shared, he sells a ride, that's a Taxi. A medallion or other arbitrary system doesn't define what a taxi is. Can I tell uber I want to share a ride to the airport with any stranger? (my taxi co will do that)?

Ironically, this is probably the first prominent "ride sharing service" that is actually intended as a ride sharing service.

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