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Re: Facebook recommended that a psychiatrist’s patients friend each other

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Of course they have FB accounts. That isn't the point. The authors of these algorithms introduce - often without conscious intent - their own biases. They bring their own background, morals, etc when they design an algorithm. This is a general problem with creating an algorithm to supplement or replace anything previously done by humans. Even if the algorithm is given accurate and unbiased data (which is rare), the c…

You're not wrong. Does it seem likely, though? I mean, at this point you're asking Facebook to do something which is directly inimical to its interests, in that people opting out of "local friend discovery" truncates its social graph, or at least reduces the weights it can put on some edges, and thus makes its information less valuable for targeted advertising. It would be nice to imagine that the people who make suc…

> people opting out ... makes its information less valuable for targeted advertising

I have very little sympathy for a business model based on surveillance and manipulation. Figuring out how to generate revenue is Facebook's problem. Lots of unethical behavior would be valuable in various business models. Facebook can police themselves or they eventually invite (probably less desirable) legislation crafted by pissed off people.

> Threatening Facebook employees with physical harm

For the record, I am in almost all circumstances I am a pacifist. I would never advocate for physical harm. That said, I have nothing against revealing the private information of the people who insist on doing the same as a business model.

> directly inimical to its interests

> I'm not sure what to suggest in its place

That's easy; you change arrange it so they want to do the necessary due diligence of making sure new any new algorithm is both necessary and safe. We accomplish this with liability. Data needs to be toxic. If you collect data and store it for long periods of time or aggregate it with other types of data, then you are responsible for problems that arise from your databases. In the case of this doctor, if any problems happen to her patients from Facebook's disclosures, then Facebook is the liable party.

They can decide the level of safety required. Either transit the data for the users blindly and enjoy immunity like a common carrier, or inspect the data and pay for the problems that derive from that inspection.

> finding ways to convince people the problem actually exists

That's always a good idea, but in the meantime it is not the responsibility of the user to understand information theory before critiquing Facebook's claims. Blaming the victim is never the right answer.

Re: Facebook recommended that a psychiatrist’s patients friend each other

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Amazed that this 'feature' hasn't been killed yet. At this stage of Facebook's maturity, everybody finished adding their real friends about five years ago, and suggesting non-friends with tenuous connections to the user serves only to remind everyone what a privacy disaster Facebook is and generate bad press.

Re: Facebook recommended that a psychiatrist’s patients friend each other

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's great. As someone who also does not use Facebook and Twitter, and saw the result this had on the social life he'd enjoyed before they rose to such preeminence in the field of mediating human social interaction, I find your experience to be lacking in universal applicability.

Just so I understand: You're saying you used to have a robust social life, but now somewhat less so, because the people you used to interact with will no longer do so outside of Facebook and Twitter? I don't want to sound harsh, and maybe I'm just too old, but it seems kind of incredible to me. You can't just call them up or E-mail them?

I don't know what you mean by 'robust'. What I'm saying is that I used to have a satisfactory social life - on the order of parties or other similar events call it once a month more or less and "let's get together for beers" or similar on a reasonably regular basis besides - which in essence no longer exists.

I can certainly understand that it seems kind of incredible to you. It seems extremely incredible to me! I still haven't quite got wholly around it. And, yes, I can "just" call people up, or text or email them, and sometimes even get a response. I still occasionally do so, and still occasionally get together with one or two people at a time for a few drinks and to catch up. The problem comes in where you try to organize something on a larger scale, or where someone else does so. It would be technically inaccurate to say that to do so is impossible without using Facebook. But I've certainly found it ineffective to try to set things up via email, which was not the case a couple of years ago.

I would not be surprised to learn that I'm as old as, or older than, you are. Most of the people in my former social circle are somewhat older than I am. I'm pretty sure this isn't just a "people in their twenties" thing.

(Edited to add that I don't understand why you're getting downvoted, and I wish people wouldn't without explaining why they're doing so. Certainly, if it's out of some misguided assumption that I've chosen to put myself and my experience out there without being prepared to address people who express entirely reasonable incredulity and doubt about my veracity, let me take a moment to note that such action on my behalf, while certainly appreciated, is entirely unnecessary.)

Re: Facebook recommended that a psychiatrist’s patients friend each other

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Amazed that this 'feature' hasn't been killed yet. At this stage of Facebook's maturity, everybody finished adding their real friends about five years ago, and suggesting non-friends with tenuous connections to the user serves only to remind everyone what a privacy disaster Facebook is and generate bad press.

The other side of that argument is: You don't stop making friends & meeting people, why should Facebook stop suggesting people you might know?

I moved out of state three years ago, most of the people I see & spend most of my time with a completely different than the people I did five years ago.

Re: Facebook recommended that a psychiatrist’s patients friend each other

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"People You May Know is based on a variety of factors, including mutual friends, work and education information, networks you’re part of, contacts you’ve imported and many other factors,” said the spokesperson by email. “Without additional information from the people involved, we’re not able to explain why one person was recommended as a friend to another." Facebook is full of shit. Of course they are using locations…

Isn't it more likely he has your mother in law's/your wife's/your phone number programmed into his phone and shared his contacts with Facebook?

It seems like that is the source of 99% of 'creepy' Facebook recommendations: Facebook doesn't realize that while 'has phone number' is a great indicator of 'knowing somebody' it has poor transitive properties.

Re: Facebook recommended that a psychiatrist’s patients friend each other

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I think it's also quite likely that the psychiatrist's patients are searching for her profile just to checkout how's her personal life on FB which might give FB some clue as these people might know each other hence a friend suggestion. I do that sometimes to see some of my not-so-close friends.

I have a number of psychologist FB friends and every one that I know of has changed their name on FB to make it harder for patients to find them. Many go with FirstName MiddleName, some make up a last name, etc. That's not to say that it's impossible to find your therapist on FB, but I'd be really surprised if it's easy.

Re: Facebook recommended that a psychiatrist’s patients friend each other

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So, I deactivated my account maybe 6 months ago, and uninstalled the app long ago. Since then, I moved halfway across the country and, using a brand new laptop, a fake name and number, and a throwaway email address, created another profile so I could use their API.

People You May Know still had old high school friends, my old real estate broker (??), and someone I starred on GitHub. I have absolutely no idea how they connected that account to my old one, considering Google Mail is the only other service I've used on that laptop.

Re: Facebook recommended that a psychiatrist’s patients friend each other

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"People You May Know is based on a variety of factors, including mutual friends, work and education information, networks you’re part of, contacts you’ve imported and many other factors,” said the spokesperson by email. “Without additional information from the people involved, we’re not able to explain why one person was recommended as a friend to another." Facebook is full of shit. Of course they are using locations…

...because the gardener has MIL's number in his phonebook, you have your MIL's number in your phonebook, and MIL has both numbers in her phonebook. See the network?

Re: Facebook recommended that a psychiatrist’s patients friend each other

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post #124

Amazed that this 'feature' hasn't been killed yet. At this stage of Facebook's maturity, everybody finished adding their real friends about five years ago, and suggesting non-friends with tenuous connections to the user serves only to remind everyone what a privacy disaster Facebook is and generate bad press.

The other side of that argument is: You don't stop making friends & meeting people, why should Facebook stop suggesting people you might know? I moved out of state three years ago, most of the people I see & spend most of my time with a completely different than the people I did five years ago.

It's true - "people who may not be your friend any more" would be more useful at this point.
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