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Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by vetinari »

pasbesoin wrote: post #94
helloworld wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, no update for the Nexus 7 (2013) tablet: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/08/android-nougat-drops-... [I]t's too bad that the support lifecycle of the most consistently updated Android devices is so much shorter than what Apple achieves with iOS, especially since the hardware should still be more than capable of supporting Nougat.

My 2013 Nexus 7 is perfectly fine... except for now being left behind, software-wise. I bought once / as soon as I learned that its successor had not been worth waiting for. So, I got significantly less than 3 years out of it. Would have bought the successor, except... Guess I'll be rooting it. And buying Apple, next time.

As a former owner of 2013 Nexus 7 with LTE... it was permanently behind software-wise.

Well, at least until it died by the way of sudden reboot of death. Things might have improved since then.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by tdkl »

72deluxe wrote: post #114
tdkl wrote: post #109

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> Phone 5 for instance got and runs fine iOS 9 It runs, but far from fine compared to iOS it shipped with with basically no added value.

Security updates ===== no added value?

If the updates would contain only security measures - but they don't. So I rather have an "insecure" device instead accepting an update that makes me want to throw the previously satisfactory device into the wall.[1]

But this is also not an option on iOS, because of the apps support and you have to update eventually.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J6R0NnqOzc

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by jdc0589 »

benzor wrote: post #41
primo44 wrote: post #35

No Android 7 on my Nexus 5 might just be what pushes me to iOS. I've gone from being an Android evangelist to being an Android apologist ("Yeah, battery life sucks. Google has failed to fix it after X years") to now being, frankly, pissed off that my expensive phone is going to be left behind.

FWIW, I've deliberately kept my Nexus 5 on Android 4.4.4 and it runs as well as the first day I bought it 2.5 years ago. Multi-day battery life, no compatibility issues (because no OS updates), all the latest apps still run on it, etc. Not to mention it was an affordable phone even when it was brand new. Very happy with it overall; I can easily see it lasting me another few years.

That phone was eons better than my 5x, and cheaper. Only got rid of it due to physical damage.

I'm really not impressed with the Nexus 5x at all compared to every other Nexus phone Ive had (2 others), both from a price and general performance perspective.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by Sylos »

koevet wrote: post #95
ymse wrote: post #6

Just a shout-out to the fine folks over at CopperheadOS[0]who have been doing a lot of behind-the-scenes hardening in Android over the last year[1]. If you have a Nexus device and don't care much for the Play Store applications (F-Droid is included) give it a go for a true AOSP experience. The only apps I'm really missing are Tasker and Signal, but I have a second phone for those. 0: https://copperhead.co/android/ 1:…

Can't you install the Signal apk directly, from apkmirror[0] ? 0: http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/open-whisper-systems/signal-pri...

Signal has a Google Play Services dependency for notifications, so it won't work properly without installing the whole Google package.

Open Whisper Systems (the developers of Signal) apparently don't want to replace it or even just build in a fallback [0], and even fought with the LibreSignal developers, which is a fork that removes this dependency, and told them to stop using their servers [1], which lead to LibreSignal being discontinued.

I don't know what the heck is going on with this, but yeah, it's not pretty.

[0]: https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-Android/issues/1106

[1]: https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal/issues/37#issueco...

There's also a more elaborate article on the topic here:

https://lwn.net/Articles/687294/

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by rimantas »

drusepth wrote: post #115
adamors wrote: post #62

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The iPhone SE is similarly priced and iOS devices receive updates for more than 3 years. iPhone 5 for instance got and runs fine iOS 9, 4 years after release.

iOS 9 runs hilariously badly on the iPhone 5.

iOS 9 runs and runs fine on iPhone 4S.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by tracker1 »

Grazester wrote: post #43
iwintermute wrote: post #37

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khm, expensive? IIRC nexus 5 had great hardware for it's price.

Indeed. The Nexus 5 was not expensive relative to the iOS devices he is consider getting. 3 years worth of updates was just about worth the device's price. On another note I hated the Nexus 5 and that LCD screen always felt washed out!

I skipped from the N4 to OPO, but on a 6P as of a few months back... probably won't upgrade until the end of 2018.

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by LukeShu »

hackuser wrote: post #105
koevet wrote: post #95

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Can't you install the Signal apk directly, from apkmirror[0] ? 0: http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/open-whisper-systems/signal-pri...

Re: APKMirror: I have the same questions I have about all APK proxy services - which claim to pull the APKs directly form the Play Store - why would I trust it to provide software that isn't infected with malware? Other than APK Downloader, I haven't found another credible source among the very many options. Any solutions would be appreciated. ---- [0] APK Downloader, for those interested ... I'd start with the origi…

There's also this desktop application to download from the play store https://codingteam.net/project/googleplaydownloader (codingteam.net, a "Forge" site, has an expired TLS cert)

Re: Taking the final wrapper off of Android 7.0 Nougat

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Post by Sylos »

hackuser wrote: post #105
koevet wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't you install the Signal apk directly, from apkmirror[0] ? 0: http://www.apkmirror.com/apk/open-whisper-systems/signal-pri...

Re: APKMirror: I have the same questions I have about all APK proxy services - which claim to pull the APKs directly form the Play Store - why would I trust it to provide software that isn't infected with malware? Other than APK Downloader, I haven't found another credible source among the very many options. Any solutions would be appreciated. ---- [0] APK Downloader, for those interested ... I'd start with the origi…

I'm not entirely sure, but doesn't APK signing prevent these third parties from tampering with the APKs?

Also, Raccoon is similar to APK Downloader: http://www.onyxbits.de/raccoon

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