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How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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About 6 weeks ago I stopped ingesting sugar, to the extent that is practically possible. No candy & cakes, no sweet drinks and very diligent reading of labels on the non-obvious stuff. I do eat fruit but not processed into juice. Dropped 4 kg, everything tastes better, no energy drop at 4pm and the cravings disappeared within first two days. Friends report similar results. This was also much easier than my previous a…

how much sugar were you eating perviously?

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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post #58

About 6 weeks ago I stopped ingesting sugar, to the extent that is practically possible. No candy & cakes, no sweet drinks and very diligent reading of labels on the non-obvious stuff. I do eat fruit but not processed into juice. Dropped 4 kg, everything tastes better, no energy drop at 4pm and the cravings disappeared within first two days. Friends report similar results. This was also much easier than my previous a…

I always get thrown off that plan by things like yogurt. Even plain yogurt lists a ton of sugar. I can't wait for the new labels that show added sugar.

The natural sugar that is in milk is lactose and that is not really a problem (as long as you are not lactose intolerant of course).

The problematic sugar is refined fructose. That is the stuff cannot be properly processed by the body and causes all kinds of chaos for your metabolism.

Even naturally occurring fructose, such as in fruit, is ok. But once you concentrate it into crystallized sugar or HFCS, it becomes a slow acting poison.

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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post #109

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Have you tried cutting out more carbs? Dropping bread, pasta, rice, and white potatoes helped me a lot.

You probably just reduced your calorie intake. There is scant evidence that those sources of carbs matters at all in the sense that they are somehow worse than other sources of calories. But fair play to you for doing something. It's genuinely admirable.

>There is scant evidence that those sources of carbs matters at all in the sense that they are somehow worse than other sources of calories.

what about glycemic index? Surely foods with high GI are demonstrably worse?

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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post #6

I'm not sure if there should be a tax on sugar. But I definitely think that products should have a large visible colorful graphic on the front showing the amount of sugar content.. separate from the basic black and white nutritional info label.

>I'm not sure if there should be a tax on sugar. I think there should be in Canada because we have a public health care system and the effects of sugar intake puts stresses on public health care, and those that who binge on sugar should be forced to pay for their higher costs on public health - I should not be subsiding their preventable issues.

what about athletes and body builders who do carb/sugar loading?

What about ppl who eat greasy food and don't exercise?

Als, Wouldn't this merely penalize poor people with long hours and long commutes, poor people who are forced to live in food desserts, poor people who only have enough cash to buy bad food, poor people who have to feed a family of 5 on minimum wage.

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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How could we not buy "sugar products" when it is added without knowledge everywhere? Wouldn't your point of view also require removing labels; after all gov. regulation put them there. Sugar corp would sell to ag corp, with no transparency. How would we know how much sugar and compare? I know that humans over the past 50 years have been terrible judges on their own.

Yes, this is a big problem, but if you're waiting for the government to solve this problem, you'll wait a long time. The humanity have to build new organizations that help the masses in picking up the right choices and we need new corporations that we can trust. Just have a look at the open source movement, where even commercial companies are opening their source code to improve to build up on trust. We need corporat…

WHAT?

By forcing accurate labels we are disadvantaging small companies?

I am quite sure that, in a month of work, a well intentioned NGO with 1 or 2 people could develop a hand-holding website that every company could follow, for labelling.

Can you clarify?

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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White sugar is crack. Highly addictive, creating fidgets who can't focus for 5 minutes chasing the next instant gratification. White sugar and wheat shake up one's blood sugar like no other.

On the one side, I am wondering that people are still consuming sugar—the last years more and more news/facts/studies pop up putting sugar in the right light. On the other side, addicted people usually say about their drugs that they make them feel good and that they are not addicted and keep consuming. But one big problem that it's quite hard to resist sugar. It's key ingredient of most products in a super market.

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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How could we not buy "sugar products" when it is added without knowledge everywhere? Wouldn't your point of view also require removing labels; after all gov. regulation put them there. Sugar corp would sell to ag corp, with no transparency. How would we know how much sugar and compare? I know that humans over the past 50 years have been terrible judges on their own.

No it isn't added everywhere. Not to fruit, vegetables, raw cereals, dairy products, meat or fish. If you feel you have to buy food industry products (those that undergo some kind of processing) then don't most of them offer low sugar or sugar free options? Finally it comes down to industry meeting human preferences. Change those and the industry will change. I agree it's often a problem but why not carry a lens to c…

:P

A 'lens requirement' cuts the effectiveness of any information in a package. I'd wager to less than a tenth of readers, compared with readable packages.

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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Not enabling sovereign countries to protect industry of their choosing is a form of corporate protectionism. The established companies are protected from future competitors. Example: south koreas industry was bootstrapped by the government using every mean at their disposal - using methods that would probably be improbable in our present form global market. No Samsung, Lg or any of that could arise in current global…

What's your point? Trade agreements are voluntary. If a country thinks it's better off outside a given trade agreement, it can just leave it behind. They usually even have an explicit provision for withdrawal. For instance: http://www.sice.oas.org/trade/nafta/chap-22.asp So could South Korea use protectionism to build up internal industries today? Sure. But it might not want to, if a different set of choices were mor…

I provided as an example a specific case where a country was able to bootstrap its industry using policies favoring national entities, thus creating national wealth and serving all current consumers globally by creating more companies to compete in the global marketplace. The point is, the question about how free some markets should be and for what time - it's not just cronyism vs. healthy competition, or that in every case just serving the most efficient products is a universally best solution, for all time. Economic strategy can use any number of methods, but the current discussion often labels those not respecting the status quo as 'bad players'. But mostly, I was supporting the notion that there can be succesfull or failing national non-conforming strategies. I brought up South Korea as a positive example since there are incompetent renegades - like Venezuela which has achieved an astounding zimbabwe impersonation - that maybe first comes to mind when discussing policies of this sort.

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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White sugar is crack. Highly addictive, creating fidgets who can't focus for 5 minutes chasing the next instant gratification. White sugar and wheat shake up one's blood sugar like no other. On the one side, I am wondering that people are still consuming sugar—the last years more and more news/facts/studies pop up putting sugar in the right light. On the other side, addicted people usually say about their drugs that…

There is no link between high sugar intake and hyperactivity.

Re: How the food lobby fights sugar regulation in the EU [pdf]

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Just don't buy sugar products. Without a government, a corporation can only be strong, when their customers are spending enough money. With a government a corporation can grow out by regulations/subsidies. Regulations are destroying small competitors, not the big corps themselves.

That requires humans to be perfectly rational like a homo economicus [1], but in reality people aren't. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_economicus

Your alternative with regulations requires politicians to be perfectly rational. Checkmate.

The argument that people can't be rational and think for themselves, therefore they need other people (a political class) to decide for them, is, frankly, disgusting. No thanks.

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