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US Customs wants to collect social media account names at the border

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Re: US Customs wants to collect social media account names at the border

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post #94

If you consider Facebook, LinkedIn, Github, HN, Snapchat, Twitter, Pinterest, Flickr, Google Plus (one profile for each Google-based e-mail I have), Live (one for each outlook.com e-mail I have) social networks, the field will have to be fairly large.

Considering the treasure trove of information available by data-mining each of those accounts, I'm sure they'll be happy to make room on the form for a few more of those fields.

Re: US Customs wants to collect social media account names at the border

#122
post #80

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Not anymore. For better or worse the definition is being expanded such that we're all going to be classified as terrorists soon enough. Terrorists have fewer rights than the average citizen, so its inevitable. Am I a terrorist? Well, yes, yes I am. My wife donated some money to our local mainline Catholic church and they've participated in some anti-abortion activities and some define that as financial support of ter…

The term "terrorist" doesn't have a single fixed meaning. It's context-dependent. Pretending it's not context-dependent willfully misinterprets the speaker. A lot of words function like this. E.g., "believer". When a christian asks me if I'm a believer I might say yes. But then I'd probably say no if a wiccan asked me the same question. Obviously, that doesn't mean that everyone (or no one) is a believer once you fix…

Being a context dependent term is what makes questions like these from the government a big problem. Its like Nineteen Eighty-Four where "we have always been at war with EastAsia", only now the changing term is what constitutes a terrorist, or some other group the government has decided to not like

Re: US Customs wants to collect social media account names at the border

#123
post #84

I used to live in the US. Now I live in a country ruled by a military dictatorship. This year they started with an immigration form that asks for social media accounts, currently optional same as the US. When I left the US I never thought I would be watching the US steadily implement many of the steps of a military dictatorship. The thing is, the US gov is so much more powerful and skilled at surveillance and dirty w…

Yeah but this was the most transparent administration in history. Hope and Change indeed!

Re: US Customs wants to collect social media account names at the border

#124
post #71

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Point being the NSA is collecting a lot of noise.

> a lot of noise Which will simply be filtered out. Technology does not just evolve linearly.

Isn't one of these problems that these orgs are facing is that their signal-to-noise is too rough to work with?

I thought they had info about the boston bomber, 9/11 hijackers, and san bernadino shooter, but didn't act on it because it was lost in the noise?

Re: US Customs wants to collect social media account names at the border

#125
"The public has 60 days to comment on the new proposal before it will be formally considered. Comments can be mailed to Customs and Border Protection at its Washington office."

The article seems to suggest that the proposal can be challenged but there is really nothing that the public can do, right?

Re: US Customs wants to collect social media account names at the border

#126
post #120
post #55

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and LinkedIn, Google (G+, Gmail, Analytics), Hacker News, Steam...

> Steam "It says here you've been affiliated with a "Counter-Strike: Global Offensive" where you were a terrorist.."

That's more true that than you think http://www.pcgamer.com/counter-strike-go-mapper-threatened-w...

Re: US Customs wants to collect social media account names at the border

#127
post #60

I find it really problematic: when you fill the US borders paperwork, you are supposed to give objective admin/personal details while on social media you are supposed to speak up your mind. Where do you place the limit between somebody that publicly criticizes the US foreign policy and somebody that can be a threat? How are they going to handle people who posted something like "The US knew about the 9/11 attacks"?

There is already precedent for criminalizing dissent -- Turkey, for example, considers online criticism of Turkey as equivalent to damaging national security by spreading propaganda with the intent to provoke attacks towards the Turkish government. It would be fair to assume the US would be open to such means to improve security.

> There is already precedent for criminalizing dissent -- Turkey, for example,

No need to reach so far. New York just made it illegal to advocate boycotting Israel[0].

[0] http://www.salon.com/2016/06/05/ny_gov_cuomo_signing_unconst...

Re: US Customs wants to collect social media account names at the border

#128
post #81

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Just like you can opt out of the body scan, which induces them to yell, in front of everyone, "OPT OUT!" and then you get to stand in a little roped off area and wait for a while. So, I agree, they'll make it as painful as possible to decline.

Opt out may not be an option[0]. Even though the scanners don't work[1]. [0] http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/23/travel/tsa-airport-screening-c... [1] http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/airport-security-price...

"Pat-downs may not find weapons, so an officer will pat you down after the scanner says they should."

Airtight logic there.

Re: US Customs wants to collect social media account names at the border

#129
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Point being the NSA is collecting a lot of noise.

> a lot of noise Which will simply be filtered out. Technology does not just evolve linearly.

Technology evolves sub linearly over long time scales.

Re: US Customs wants to collect social media account names at the border

#130

I was always very confused/amused by the questions at the border: "Are you a terrorist or affiliate with a terrorist organization?" "Are you a secret spy" Why would anyone say yes? What's the purpose of this. Do they just need it to avoid arguments like "we dont even ask?" A friend of mine explained it to me: - let's say that they have the suspicion or evidence that you are affiliated w/ a terrorist organization. by…

Some people, very few but not zero, really are that dumb.

But I believe the main reason is so that when they catch somebody and prosecute them for terrorism, they can add "making false statements" to the charges and get even more prison time.

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