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Re: Growing Rift Between Valve and Oculus

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Post by zamalek »

tk32 wrote: post #70
errantspark wrote: post #53

Been working on VR side projects for 3 years now, I've built against the DK1, DK2, CV1 and the Vive and I have to say there's zero question in my mind that Oculus is FAR behind the curve. The Vive was love at first sight, the Oculus was quite the opposite. The Vive is stunning, not only because room-scale VR is fantastic. (I don't share the opinion that the future rests solely with room scale, there's plenty of stuff…

It's so satisfying watching them get their just desserts after betraying their Kickstarter backers by taking the Facebook money and then going back on all their words about keeping the platform free for everybody. Meanwhile that acquisition kicked off a race among the other big players which Valve appears to be winning while having the best features. I mean, Valve isn't perfect, but they're a lot better than Facebook…

> taking the Facebook

It was at that point that I abandoned the platform. Wild conjecture isn't discouraged on Reddit and, over there, the creepy Facebook user tracking was predicted well in advance.

Given the comments here on Palmer's diminishing public interaction, and the quotes in the article, I don't think the founders completely anticipated what Facebook would demand. Although I now have zero interest in the platform, I still can't help but feel a little sorry for them. They clearly still believe in that vision but do not have the autonomy to follow it through.

Re: Growing Rift Between Valve and Oculus

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Post by 1stop »

comex wrote: post #110
justratsinacoat wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't share your conviction that ROI is far more important than any ethical consideration. I seem to recall the KS pitch was full of aspirational language about a democratized future of VR spearheaded by a close-knit team of diehards who wouldn't fall prey to Big Whatever. You're suggesting that the majority of backers will be mollified by an artifact of the very forces that Oculus promised to avoid; I'm sure some…

Not sure you recall correctly. I checked the Kickstarter [1], and I didn't see anything along those lines in the video, the description (which doesn't seem to have been modified, per archive.org), or the first few updates. If Luckey talked about that, I think it was somewhere else. [1] https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1523379957/oculus-rift-...

The video you linked has competing companies all taking about how good it will be to integrate (valve included)... you are right there is no line like "it will be an open platform" but they heavily imply it will be an open platform

Re: Growing Rift Between Valve and Oculus

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Post by madaxe_again »

lobster_johnson wrote: post #115
ericjang wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only learned this recently, but it's actually spelled "just deserts". Although desserts (sweet confections) are often associated with rewards, the word "deserts" refers to the element of distributive justice. Source: I wrote a paper about this for a class and got a C+.

Deserts is an archaic word meaning "reward", i.e. a kind of noun form of "deserve".

It's those things left for you - which have been deserted.

Re: Growing Rift Between Valve and Oculus

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Post by Latty »

shasheene wrote: post #82
tk32 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so satisfying watching them get their just desserts after betraying their Kickstarter backers by taking the Facebook money and then going back on all their words about keeping the platform free for everybody. Meanwhile that acquisition kicked off a race among the other big players which Valve appears to be winning while having the best features. I mean, Valve isn't perfect, but they're a lot better than Facebook…

One thing worth noting is all Kickstarter backers get a free Oculus CV1 from Facebook (that's of course in addition to the DK1 they received after backing in August 2012). That decision takes away a lot of the "betrayal" of the Facebook acquisition - for backers it's an incredible return on investment (that was unlikely to happen if it weren't for Facebook)

I backed the Kickstarter with a friend, backing at the level to get two of the dev kits, because we happened to be living together at the time. After explaining that situation, I was told that I would not get a CV1.

I never expected to get the CV1 when I backed, so I'm not angry about that, it just sucks a bit to hear 'you are getting this for free' and then get told, no you are not.

Re: Growing Rift Between Valve and Oculus

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Post by cma »

ss248 wrote: post #105
gnarbarian wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think Iribe had the latitude to do that at the time. From what I understand Palmer owned most of the company still at that point. He would have had to get signoff from at least a majority of owners before just doing it.

"Palmer owned most of the company" Not really. Even before that whole kickstarter campaign he was just a founder. Roughly, the deal was: Palmer giving full power to Iribe, Iribe helping Palmer with investors/kickstarter.

Iribe gave the company a loan bigger than the entire Kickstarter goal before the Kickstarter launched: I'm guessing he had a bigger share.

Re: Growing Rift Between Valve and Oculus

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

ericjang wrote: post #106
tk32 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's so satisfying watching them get their just desserts after betraying their Kickstarter backers by taking the Facebook money and then going back on all their words about keeping the platform free for everybody. Meanwhile that acquisition kicked off a race among the other big players which Valve appears to be winning while having the best features. I mean, Valve isn't perfect, but they're a lot better than Facebook…

I only learned this recently, but it's actually spelled "just deserts". Although desserts (sweet confections) are often associated with rewards, the word "deserts" refers to the element of distributive justice. Source: I wrote a paper about this for a class and got a C+.

Is it pronounced like desserts still?

Re: Growing Rift Between Valve and Oculus

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Post by proyb2 »

errantspark wrote: post #53

Been working on VR side projects for 3 years now, I've built against the DK1, DK2, CV1 and the Vive and I have to say there's zero question in my mind that Oculus is FAR behind the curve. The Vive was love at first sight, the Oculus was quite the opposite. The Vive is stunning, not only because room-scale VR is fantastic. (I don't share the opinion that the future rests solely with room scale, there's plenty of stuff…

It's also satisfying watching some hardcore fan in Oculus Rift looks down on other HMD startup has admitted Vive is way better.

Thanks, I didn't jump in the bandwagon early.

Re: Growing Rift Between Valve and Oculus

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Post by gnufied »

pekk wrote: post #61
istorical wrote: post #28

The discussion around Vive vs Rift and Valve vs Oculus is getting more and more emotionally clouded and "good guys vs bad guys" with each passing week. People are letting their own frustration around Oculus' poorly managed launch and non-existent PR affect their perspective on the situation. The fact is that although Oculus is adopting somewhat of a walled garden approach, people entirely overlook that Valve maintain…

It is grossly deceptive to say that Steam has a monopoly on games distribution when a vast number of the games on Steam are also distributed by other channels. I can't name any "Steam exclusives," which is more than I can say for Origin etc. Frankly it's absurd to psychoanalyze Steam, saying that it wants to do what other companies are doing, and not to recognize that if it wanted to do those things it could easily d…

To play devil's advocate. How do I play Dota2 without steam? No - not even multiplayer matchmaking but just offline with bots.

Almost all Valve titles are Steam exclusive.

Re: Growing Rift Between Valve and Oculus

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Post by nol13 »

seanwilson wrote: post #81

I'm not a fan of lock-in at all but if Oculus don't make money selling the hardware and can't expect a high chance of sales from their store then how are they suppose to make money? Is their whole business model based on purchases from the Oculus store? Competition is good. I don't like how Oculus is trying to create their own locked in ecosystem but I don't like how some people only want to buy things from Steam eit…

Virtual ads, obv.

Re: Growing Rift Between Valve and Oculus

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Post by IneffablePigeon »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #126
ericjang wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only learned this recently, but it's actually spelled "just deserts". Although desserts (sweet confections) are often associated with rewards, the word "deserts" refers to the element of distributive justice. Source: I wrote a paper about this for a class and got a C+.

Is it pronounced like desserts still?

Yes (the same as the _verb_ deserts is pronounced)
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