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Re: Jury in Oracle v. Google finds in Google's favour

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I'd also just like to give huge props to Sarah Jeong for keeping up such a high-quality live stream of tweets over the course of the entire trial. That's reporting done right.

> tweets > reporting done right I'm not sure. Surely it would only benefit her if she weren't limited by 140 characters, right?

That's one way of looking at it. But using a medium where people expect short, frequent updates rather than a 10,000 word article has its advantages.

Re: Jury in Oracle v. Google finds in Google's favour

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They've got post-verdict motions at the trial court, if that fails they can speak to the Circuit Court (I think this will go to the Ninth Circuit now rather than the Federal Circuit, but that may be incorrect.) If they fail their, they can petition to have the Supreme Court take up the case (their refusal to take up a different question in an interlocutory -- prior to final judgement -- appeal previously shouldn't be…

> I think this will go to the Ninth Circuit now rather than the Federal Circuit, but that may be incorrect. Sadly, it won't. Ars Technica has Oracle's general counsel saying "we plan to bring this case back to the Federal Circuit on appeal"

Of course. They all want to get paid, and that's really what this is about from Oracle's perspective.

Re: Jury in Oracle v. Google finds in Google's favour

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That's going to get messy. Very messy. It has to be crystal clear really for that to happen, but all you'd end up with is more debate on what parts have greater weight.

I don't see why it would necessarily get messy. Remember that appellate court does not accept new facts. The judges reviewing the case will do so based entirely on the facts found during the trial case and make a ruling. The only thing they would need to rule on is whether a particular fact was weighted properly by the jury. Remember, jury members are not expected to be experts of law; that's the judge's realm. So it…

The only thing they would need to rule on is whether a particular fact was weighted properly by the jury.

Good luck with that here.

Re: Jury in Oracle v. Google finds in Google's favour

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post #92

I'd also just like to give huge props to Sarah Jeong for keeping up such a high-quality live stream of tweets over the course of the entire trial. That's reporting done right.

> tweets > reporting done right I'm not sure. Surely it would only benefit her if she weren't limited by 140 characters, right?

Well she also publishes stories on motherboard so what are you trying to say exactly...?

Re: Jury in Oracle v. Google finds in Google's favour

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Despite the win, I think it would have been far better for the computer industry if Google had bought Sun. Unlike other companies with crap (IMHO ... Nokia, Motorola), Sun actually had stuff of value. This is a lesson that geeks get but I'm not sure MBAs do or will ever get.

Re: Jury in Oracle v. Google finds in Google's favour

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> Under the Copyright Act, the judge has discretion to award attorney fees to the prevailing party. [0] I think that'd be good for the ecosystem as it'd send a message that there will be consequence for pursuing frivolous lawsuits.

I don't think it's fair to call this law suit frivolous. From a developer perspective, the ideal and just end result has always seemed rather obvious. However, the multi-year history of this case demonstrates the correct legal answer not so obvious, at least from a legal perspective. For example, settling the issue on fair use was definitely not how most people thought/hoped this would shake out way back in the begin…

If I learned one thing from the SCO mess, it's that a high-powered law firm can take absolutely no case and make it last at least a decade.

Re: Jury in Oracle v. Google finds in Google's favour

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Law evolves and the law of copyright in particular is ripe for "disruption" - and I say this not as one who opposes the idea of copyright but, on the contrary, as one who strongly supports it. It is right that the author of a creative work get protection for having conceived that work and reduced it to tangible form. Developers do this all the time with their code. So too do many, many others. Many today disagree wit…

Wow, your comment doesn't even fit in its entirety into my browser window without scrolling. :) For posterity you may want to edit "No one has a stake is seeing that Oracle be awarded $9", I'm not sure how to parse that. I didn't find any other typos or grammar mistakes which is pretty amazing for a chunk of prose of that length (at least it is for me.)

Don't know why you're being downvoted for giving such a comprehensive and thoughtful comment. Ridiculous really. I say even if you disagree with grellas don't donwvote, please reply and put the same amount of effort into the reply as was put into the comment above.

Re: Jury in Oracle v. Google finds in Google's favour

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post #83

See, as ever, Florian Mueller for a... different perspective: http://www.fosspatents.com/2016/05/oracle-v-google-jury-find...

His level of insanity and hatred is beyond belief

Your statement seemed hyperbolic until I followed the link and skimmed a handful of posts. He does indeed come across as someone consumed by hatred to the level of insanity. Why wouldn't anyone link to him? Its like linking to the Westboro baptist people in a discussion about Christian theology.

Re: Jury in Oracle v. Google finds in Google's favour

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Law evolves and the law of copyright in particular is ripe for "disruption" - and I say this not as one who opposes the idea of copyright but, on the contrary, as one who strongly supports it. It is right that the author of a creative work get protection for having conceived that work and reduced it to tangible form. Developers do this all the time with their code. So too do many, many others. Many today disagree wit…

> The Bono law may have slipped through Congress with nary a dissent in its day but this will not happen again, whatever the lobbying power of Disney and others.

What makes you think so? This is one of my greatest fears of another Clinton presidency.

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