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Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by apayan »

tacos wrote: post #98
greenspot wrote: post #59

First thought: Xamarin is now open source—great! Second thought: Every time I looked into Xamarin (and I do this every 6 months) there was a lack of killer apps created with Xamarin on both iOS and Android, users' experiences with Xamarin were either rare or negative and in total the community felt non-existent Third thought: Ok got it, they open source to get PR, build a community; I hope that helps and it's not the…

Couple billion dollars in revenue generated with it via Unity alone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_(game_engine) -- and that was a HORRIBLE version of it. Way better now.

tl;dr. The success of Unity can't be used as an indicator that cross-platform frameworks are good for productivity/utility apps.

Xamarin and Unity don't have anything in common, other than the fact that Unity uses C# for scripting (on an ancient runtime).

Cross-platform app development frameworks are generally awful because they don't tightly integrate with the native look and feel of every platform. Video games don't even try to achieve native looks on any platforms. They're always full screen works of art, without any hint of a UIButton (iOS) or TextView (Android).

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by burke_holland »

AlexC04 wrote: post #97
AlwaysBCoding wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, use React Native

That's an unhelpful answer and misleading. React native has a LOT of attention. It has a lot of support. BUT as of this writing if you are developing in corporate IT (meaning possibly running windows 7 systems) you actually CANNOT run react-native tools on windows easily. I'm currently building an ionic project because I needed a cross-plat mobile app and work with a mix of OSX and windows 7 machines. Now that said,…

Have you tried NativeScript on Windows?

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by dep_b »

Of course Xamarin was built on top of earlier Open Source work in MonoMac, you still could do OS X applications without actually paying for Xamarin but it wasn't as easy as using Xamarin straight.

So this is also partly just giving back from where they took it.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by j_s »

alashley wrote: post #81

As an aside, has anyone here created a Xamarin android app using material design? I was recently trying to integrate their component for the design support library, but it seemed horribly buggy.

There is a Xamarin Evolve 16 session shown free on their live channel starting in a few minutes at 5:30pm ET (Wed Apr 27):

"Everyone Can Create Beautiful Apps with Material Design"

https://evolve.xamarin.com/live

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by mb_72 »

koyote wrote: post #19

This is great news! Last time I used it (more than a year ago) it was still felt quite buggy. That being said, has anyone successfully used Xamarin or have an example of a large and successful app built with it?

Can't speak for the mobile side of things, but I used Xamarin for Mac to port a Delphi application and bring it to market last year. Considering when I started I didn't know anything about Macs, Cocoa or Xamarin for Mac / MonoMac, it turned out pretty well. Xamarin have some good people cruising their forums and offering support.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by MichaelGG »

ghuntley wrote: post #17
spriggan3 wrote: post #15

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Why do you link to gitter when you should actually like to the repos instead ?

Depends on how you learn. Some learn by being around others, social interaction, asking questions and absorbing knowledge. It's clear you fall into the latter category which likes to learn by diving right into the code, so here it is: .NET CLR Managed Runtime - https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr .NET Framework - https://github.com/dotnet/corefx .NET Compiler as a Service ("Roslyn") - https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn .…

Certainly you'd want to peruse the README before asking questions in a chat?

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by MichaelGG »

ghuntley wrote: post #86
twoquestions wrote: post #75

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Somewhat echoing what spriggan3 said, it seems odd that you suggest going straight to chat to learn about a piece of software rather than trying to find answers to your questions before bothering other people. To me (and this may be a function of where I'm from), it seems very rude to ask for help with something when you don't absolutely need said help (RTFM Noob!). It's entirely possible you meant your comment for p…

Let's be clear, this isn't left-pad we are talking about - these are MASSIVE projects which are in some cases 16+ years old. Personally, I find the fastest way to get up to speed is on projects of this size is to usually jump into IRC, find a mentor and start sending in documentation patches. Here the engineers for the runtime, framework, compiler teams are hanging out in Gitter and engaging with the community out in…

So I followed the gitter link to Orleans. I see a bunch of people talking. I'm not going to write "hey so what's this all about" so they can link me to the readme.

I went to the repo. The "homepage" includes the readme, which includes enough detail and code examples that I'm all set as far as knowing what Orlean's is "about".

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by MichaelGG »

scrollaway wrote: post #91
jeswin wrote: post #64

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I am not a Google fanboy, I am merely saying they abide by the spirit of Open Source. I just used them as an example. RedHat is another example. > Google has also managed to use the patents to sue other companies including Microsoft. Can you post a link to Google suing Microsoft first (not in retaliation)? Google was way behind in the patent game until they got hurt. Google bought Motorola to have a defensive patent…

Google replaced their XMPP messaging system by Hangouts, a 100% closed protocol with no signs of even wanting to open source it. From a FOSS pov, both Google and Microsoft have positive and negative sides to it. They're massive companies, you can't judge them as one giant blob. What MS is doing right now with .NET is fantastic for open source. Just like what Google is doing right now with Hangouts is frankly bullshit…

XMPP had a fair amount of shortcomings and the real issue is that federated systems don't solve spam. So everyone living in this "we'll run our own IM systems, just like email" is deluded, as spam in email is barely a solved issue. And much of the solution involves blocking "independent" servers.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by AlexC04 »

burke_holland wrote: post #122
AlexC04 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an unhelpful answer and misleading. React native has a LOT of attention. It has a lot of support. BUT as of this writing if you are developing in corporate IT (meaning possibly running windows 7 systems) you actually CANNOT run react-native tools on windows easily. I'm currently building an ionic project because I needed a cross-plat mobile app and work with a mix of OSX and windows 7 machines. Now that said,…

Have you tried NativeScript on Windows?

Haven't even heard of it! That looks really interesting. I'll add that to the list of candidates at the start of my next crossplat mobile app.

Re: Xamarin Open-Sourced

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Post by jeroen »

ifdefdebug wrote: post #99
lottin wrote: post #92

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MS has had in the past a systematic pattern of bullying, lying, cheating and a willingness to destroy social welfare by eliminating the competition and making their products the only option available in the market. This is extremely damaging. Yes every company wants to make money, but not every company will resort to that kind of sociopathic behaviour. Maybe they've changed, although I doubt it. I'm just saying - be…

In my opinion the sociopathicness of Microsoft's behavior has always been highly overrated.

Read about DR-DOS. And then realise how long ago that is.
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