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Public funds purchased the phone. I'm not sure what you mean?
The phone is evidence in a police investigation, they didn't buy it, while its owners are dead surely it belongs to their hiers? or does that whole rule of law thing mean nothing
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#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't KNOW it, which is why I said, "By all accounts".
According to their own account they did get their money's worth: http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/19/politics/san-bernadino-iphone-... The fact that the FBI have confirmed there were no contacts with other ISIS members is valuable information.
They have not confirmed that at all. Should any such contact have existed, it would have been through the destroyed personal phones.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
In what sense of ownership?
Public funds purchased the phone. I'm not sure what you mean?
"public funds" is not a single shared bucket of loot that everyone puts into. In this case it was a county owned device.
County governments are typically recognized incorporated organizations that have no real line of authority or connection with the federal government.
So no, the FBI or federal doesn't have some ownership claim that makes it ok to break into. As others point out they have basically seized the device from its owner in the course of investigation.
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#124this money comes out off our pockets.. YAY. NAY
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Public funds purchased the phone. I'm not sure what you mean?
"public funds" is not a single shared bucket of loot that everyone puts into. In this case it was a county owned device. County governments are typically recognized incorporated organizations that have no real line of authority or connection with the federal government. So no, the FBI or federal doesn't have some ownership claim that makes it ok to break into. As others point out they have basically seized the device…
Unless the county was forced to hand it over, this is not relevant.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just think of how many lives were saved by the data they got off that phone. Oh wait...
Is it unreasonable to think there is legitimately valuable Intel on that phone? I'd say it's at least plausible, maybe even likely lives can be saved by getting at messages on a known terrorists phone.
I wouldn't say likely when it was a government-owned phone and he also had a personal phone and went very much out of his way to thoroughly destroy that phone and another. Possible? Sure. But not in any way justifying a "scalable" solution. He doesn't want to look victims in the eye, but he's ignoring human rights activists who have had their identities compromised for less.
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It was worth it because they didn't know that beforehand. Now the FBI are sure that the attackers weren't in contact with other ISIS members. The FBI thinks that information is worth the $1.2M+ they paid. How could they possibly have known that without unlocking the phone?
> Now the FBI are sure that the attackers weren't in contact with other ISIS members. Umm, no - no they aren't. Not even close. The terrorists personal phones were destroyed before the FBI could recover them, this was just a 'work phone'. Don't you think it's likely that a) there is a reason they destroyed their personal phones, and b) if they were going to communicate with other actors they'd be more likely to use t…
Yes, you're right. I guess the FBI just confirmed that there was no info on the work phone, which seems a valid line of inquiry.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
According to their own account they did get their money's worth: http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/19/politics/san-bernadino-iphone-... The fact that the FBI have confirmed there were no contacts with other ISIS members is valuable information.
They have not confirmed that at all. Should any such contact have existed, it would have been through the destroyed personal phones.
Yes, you're right. See my reply to djrogers.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
> was not “scalable.” This is the same James Comey that said they just were just asking Apple for access to just that one phone.
Indeed. Americans need to wake up to the fact that these spooks simply cannot be trusted. The very concept of trust is alien to their culture. Would be nice of we could count on congress to provide adequate oversight.
It's always been this way and always will... neverending, necessary security "arms race."
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#130This is our tax money down the drain by scaring us to death for fear of non-existent terrorist threat. It is remarkable how such FBI directors don't get fired from their job.
I'm not entirely sure how you can call 14 deaths "non-existent".
14 deaths out of 300 million people is close enough to zero that it's not worth thinking about.