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Re: Aquaris M10 Ubuntu Tablet – Pre-order

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I recently bought my first smartphone(!), a BQ A4.5, pure android, always updated, with 5 years of guarantee(!) by 150€. I recommend it: good battery, good western design and enough performance for me (low resolution with a good screen improves performance).

What do you mean by always updated?

Google itself guarantees updates for 2 years (Android one). E.g. It was already updated to Android 6, not bad for a cheap phone.

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So you can install and run nginx, redis, Atom.io, postgres etc. on this?

Not in a "supported" way. If it's anything like Ubuntu on phones, it will be a read-only filesystem with image-based updates. apt is available, but only if you remount the system read-write (you do have root via sudo). If you do that, then you can't use image-based updates any more, since that'll stomp over your changes. I'm in favour of this arrangement, since I think it's the only way to get updates to work reliabl…

> I'm in favour of this arrangement, since I think it's the only way to get updates to work reliably,

How is Maemo unreliable in that respect? I was disappointed to find Touch doesn't work like it does.

> But don't expect a traditional Linux-based desktop but on a tablet, since that's not what you'll get.

I thought the whole point was that you can switch. That's what Canonical says, and what's demonstrated in some videos floating around.

Re: Aquaris M10 Ubuntu Tablet – Pre-order

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What was your intended use of an Ubuntu tablet? Server-farm? Gaming? I am pretty excited, but it is Linux on a tablet , which is kinda the worst of the worst from a performance perspective. Hopefully this marks the beginning of an increasing trend of more open & capable Operating Systems on our mobile devices.

I'm concerned the browser will crash after you open 3 tabs. Ubuntu Desktop is really really memory hungry. It is currently using 8gb RAM on my Desktop which has been steadily increasing since last restart. The only thing you can possibly do on this thing is use a not very power hungry text editor. No VMs, no machine learning, no data processing and no games. If they had maybe 8gb RAM, 128 gb storage with a faster CPU…

My Ubuntu desktop at work has 2GB and has been up for ~300 days (uptrack-patched) for development work. The phone version only has 1GB and doesn't crash when the browser has three tabs open.

Re: Aquaris M10 Ubuntu Tablet – Pre-order

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I've seen a lot of Linux tablets, and so far they've always been a touchscreen added to an early 2000's desktop-style interface: small touch targets, gestures don't work in obvious places etc. That said, it's been a while so I could be out of date: is the Linux desktop UI and apps used by the Ubuntu tablet touch focused? Edit: Linux as in the common usage of 'Linux kernel, glibc, X', not Android. Which you knew.

I'm not sure what "an early 2000's desktop-style interface" means, but the Linux-based Nokia tablets/phones aren't like anything I remember seeing on a desktop then; likewise Ubuntu Touch on he phone, of which you can find videos.

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" A tablet when you want it, a PC when you need it " I'm not sure if I'm being naive, but it seems to me that for a decade, the laptop market has had a ridiculous hole. There is a market for something which is not windows, at a sub $500-$600 price that is good. Tablet UI, desktop, whatever. Something that can run skype, whatsapp, tinder and the other network-effect apps that can replace their 3 year old home laptop a…

That's exactly what netbooks were, right? And Chromebooks are basically a resurrection of the same idea.

Tablets basically took that space, I think.

Re: Aquaris M10 Ubuntu Tablet – Pre-order

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Not in a "supported" way. If it's anything like Ubuntu on phones, it will be a read-only filesystem with image-based updates. apt is available, but only if you remount the system read-write (you do have root via sudo). If you do that, then you can't use image-based updates any more, since that'll stomp over your changes. I'm in favour of this arrangement, since I think it's the only way to get updates to work reliabl…

> I'm in favour of this arrangement, since I think it's the only way to get updates to work reliably, Then how is it Google can update my chromebook while I keep running ubuntu with 100% of linux features? I've done this for a year with no hiccup and no linux upgrades.

Assuming you're using Crouton or something similar on your Chromebook, your Ubuntu installation is inside a chroot. Chrome OS can be updated and just leave that directory alone. The important part of this is that Ubuntu itself is not being updated.

You could do this on an Ubuntu phone or tablet I suppose, by for example running a secondary "traditional" Ubuntu system inside a container in a read-write directory on the read-only system. I don't know if this will be possible from day one, but it's certainly possible technically if someone implements it (like how someone has implemented Crouton). I doubt you'll see the same level of integration (for example with the tablet UI seamlessly moving over to your desktop) if you do it this way, however.

Re: Aquaris M10 Ubuntu Tablet – Pre-order

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Not in a "supported" way. If it's anything like Ubuntu on phones, it will be a read-only filesystem with image-based updates. apt is available, but only if you remount the system read-write (you do have root via sudo). If you do that, then you can't use image-based updates any more, since that'll stomp over your changes. I'm in favour of this arrangement, since I think it's the only way to get updates to work reliabl…

Thank you for this informative comment (where do you learn more about the interesting stuff?). Isn't there a nice way to have it both ways, i.e. automate all changes in a script, and roll it after each image update? Assuming most things that may need to be hacked away don't see breaking changes after each update?

Sure, you could do that. Ubuntu is Free Software, and you have root and the source code on the phone, and presumably will have the same on the tablet. So you can customise it at your will, including automation, if you're prepared to put in that effort.

Re: Aquaris M10 Ubuntu Tablet – Pre-order

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Not in a "supported" way. If it's anything like Ubuntu on phones, it will be a read-only filesystem with image-based updates. apt is available, but only if you remount the system read-write (you do have root via sudo). If you do that, then you can't use image-based updates any more, since that'll stomp over your changes. I'm in favour of this arrangement, since I think it's the only way to get updates to work reliabl…

> I'm in favour of this arrangement, since I think it's the only way to get updates to work reliably, How is Maemo unreliable in that respect? I was disappointed to find Touch doesn't work like it does. > But don't expect a traditional Linux-based desktop but on a tablet, since that's not what you'll get. I thought the whole point was that you can switch. That's what Canonical says, and what's demonstrated in some vi…

Can you be more specific? We may be talking about two different things. The Ubuntu phone requires apps specifically written for the UI (though I think things written against Qt's mobile APIs can be made fairly easily). The Ubuntu phone will not run your average X app. I'm not aware of the Ubuntu tablet proposed to be any different.

My understanding is that apps will indeed seamlessly switch between the two modes - but only where they have specifically been adapted to do so. Apps not adapted will not run. Or am I mistaken?

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Right. Because Android is built on a desktop interface... The state of tablets could better but it's not that bad.

the tablet mode is just like android but you can change to desktop mode, hence better than an android tablet

What does that have to do with early 2000s linux desktops?
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