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Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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> A cheap, clean source of energy would change everything. Like nuclear fission? Or how about solar? Anyhow, while I think the intentions are good, my experience in 3rd world countries has me convinced that all the charity in the world won't help. In general, the problem in 3rd world countries isn't education, or sanitation, or lack of capital, or mosquito nets, etc... The problem is corruption and safety. I've seen…

Corruption is a world-wide problem and that includes all nations.

Corruption is Legal in America [Video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tu32CCA_Ig

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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> A cheap, clean source of energy would change everything. Like nuclear fission? Or how about solar? Anyhow, while I think the intentions are good, my experience in 3rd world countries has me convinced that all the charity in the world won't help. In general, the problem in 3rd world countries isn't education, or sanitation, or lack of capital, or mosquito nets, etc... The problem is corruption and safety. I've seen…

I never liked the word corruption because it lends itself to too many interpretations. I see the problem as tribalism. In most third world coutries, the poitical set up is a couple tribes that share power, control industry, and insulate themselves from the problems of the rest of their country. Everyone else not part of the tribe has to fend for themselves. A tribe is more than a collection of people/families, it is…

Adding to your point: in a tribal culture within a "state" that began as some convenient lines drawn by westerners, when your tribesman gets into political power it will be expected of him to reward his tribe with jobs and/or monies from the public coffer.

When a common person needs help from above, he or she turns to the tribe strongman rather than a bribe-seeking policeman or bureaucrat.

While this may look like "corruption" to westerners, it is understandable in places that have different political histories than the west.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

#123
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Do you think other forms of energy are immune to this? Yet, in the actual world Nuclear power kills so many fewer people than any other kind of power - solar included - that's it's not even in the same ballpark.

And on the other hand we have ten thousands of people directly dying slow deaths due to nuclear power — the leukemia regions in the Elbmarsch, or in southern Bavaria, or around the Asse II come to mind. Areas where nuclear waste or faulty reactors contaminated tap water, and people were never told about it until the leukemia rate reached several hundred times of the normal rate. Just counting direct deaths is mislead…

Are you deliberately being misleading, or do you not actually check your info?

There were 6 cases of leukemia in Elbmarsch, and it's not clear if they have anything to do with the reactor. Asse II has not hurt anyone. Southern Bavaria is not specific enough to google.

6 cases, and no one died as far as I can tell.

> Areas where nuclear waste or faulty reactors contaminated tap water, and people were never told about it until the leukemia rate reached several hundred times of the normal rate.

What areas?

> Just counting direct deaths is misleading.

Go for it. Count leukemia if you like - Nuclear still comes in far ahead.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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> "I believe a lot of people would quit the luxurious flesh eating habits if someone as Bill Gates says he's a vegan and just states his reasons." I don't think you've understood Bill Gates' position in our culture. He's clearly admired as a businessman and as a philanthropist, but I don't see much evidence that people are seeking to emulate his lifestyle choices. Instead of waiting for Bill Gates to become a vegan,…

I'm not really waiting for him to become vegan. I'm waiting for him to become rational - veganism follows from that. He doesn't have to promote it, he just has to live it. I'm doing plenty of positive changes while waiting and pointing out his irrational argumentation over energy. One is replying here with a unique opinion. The other is applying my own engineering skills, tied very tightly to logistics (NP-hard optim…

> "Having a couple of thousand people watching my region centered vegan cooking videos is nothing."

You're wrong. That's what change from the grass roots looks like.

> "The other is applying my own engineering skills, tied very tightly to logistics (NP-hard optimization)."

Interesting. Is this related to promoting a vegan diet?

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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This repetition is irrational. Given all the evidence there should be no meat, milk and eggs in the diet of developing countries. How does a growing economy cope with costs of heart disease, obesity, diabetes, cancer? WHO report said 50 grams of processed meat per day significantly increases chances of colorectal cancer (causation proof). 50 grams of red meat correlates with all-cause mortality (causation being publi…

No meat, milk, or eggs at all means leaving a lot of potential nutrition on the table. Chickens (and goats) can eat vegetable waste and the like; cows can eat waste from harvesting, and of course can graze -- an activity that doesn't require significant human labor or expenditure on fuel and tools.

Even if animals can eat vegetable waste or graze, that may not be what's happening. I think if you're going to address the GP it's probably worth working with some of the source material behind the views. I suspect the GP has watched Cowspiracy, I'd recommend taking a look:

http://www.cowspiracy.com

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

#126
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> A cheap, clean source of energy would change everything. Like nuclear fission? Or how about solar? Anyhow, while I think the intentions are good, my experience in 3rd world countries has me convinced that all the charity in the world won't help. In general, the problem in 3rd world countries isn't education, or sanitation, or lack of capital, or mosquito nets, etc... The problem is corruption and safety. I've seen…

This rings very true to me. My wife is also from a so-called third-world country. A stunningly beautiful one at that. Every time I visit I dream of moving there. Once I found a Swiss guy, in the middle of absolutely nowhere, who had started a small farm and an operation dealing in a very specific kind of beef cattle, and esp. breeding. He even had an awesome little restaurant serving schnitzel and beer. I think he mo…

The best thing we could do for the “third world” would be to help develop a non-corrupt legal system. Until this is fixed then all other efforts will just go down the drain.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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This repetition is irrational. Given all the evidence there should be no meat, milk and eggs in the diet of developing countries. How does a growing economy cope with costs of heart disease, obesity, diabetes, cancer? WHO report said 50 grams of processed meat per day significantly increases chances of colorectal cancer (causation proof). 50 grams of red meat correlates with all-cause mortality (causation being publi…

No meat, milk, or eggs at all means leaving a lot of potential nutrition on the table. Chickens (and goats) can eat vegetable waste and the like; cows can eat waste from harvesting, and of course can graze -- an activity that doesn't require significant human labor or expenditure on fuel and tools.

You skipped over everything I've referenced and introduced a completely new narrative which has a simple rebuttal.

We waste tons of grains to filter through cows' bodies. Cows produce waste, that waste is used to replenish the land with minerals needed for grain growth.

Now, wouldn't the same thing be possible without filtering that waste through animals, keeping the waste in high amounts, suitable for the grain agriculture?

Of course, there's absolutely nothing magical in cow's butt that produces the necessary fertilizer. You can fertilize land with vegetable waste, producing less pollution and less non-recyclable waste, needing less energy.

The animal component is completely unecessary.

If you're trying to find rationality of these industries look at this narrative.

People hunted animals, they survived because of animals, but why did they do it, instead of just picking berries, raising food?

It was a time-saving heuristic. The animals were free, the animals were collecting nutrients, packing them into their bodies, and all that time was saved for the human. Humans just "collected" the neatly packed nutrients and had concrete savings.

Today, we bring the food to animals, we center everything around their food filtering, from an energetic, sustainable, environmental perspective it isn't equivalent, it's not even close. It is irrational. This irrationality is closely linked with our desire of excessive luxury.

From all the given evidence, dropping this would save us billions if not trillions in environmental cleanups, health-care bills etc.

Currently, there's nothing magical in animals that necessitates our use of them. The magic has disappeared when we snatched the planet.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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> A cheap, clean source of energy would change everything. Like nuclear fission? Or how about solar? Anyhow, while I think the intentions are good, my experience in 3rd world countries has me convinced that all the charity in the world won't help. In general, the problem in 3rd world countries isn't education, or sanitation, or lack of capital, or mosquito nets, etc... The problem is corruption and safety. I've seen…

Nuclear Fission? Safe? As long as for-profit companies are running the reactors, they’ll end up saving everywhere, and, like we’ve seen before and before, it ends up in meltdowns (for example, due to refusing to maintain the emergency generators properly, see fukushima). Any way you try to handle this issue, someone will abuse it. Make it a governmentally funded operation, people will end up corrupt and use money for…

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-de...

It's the safest form of power we have.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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Gates doesn't govern any countries and he's not in charge of any global policies. Also, he is not superman and he doesn't have infinite resources. He's just trying to find niches where a rich geek can make a difference. Child vaccination was a good example. Significantly, he's trying to do practical things to improve the lives of poor people in the third world, as opposed to founding libraries or building more Willia…

I don't think anybody would judge him badly for not doing what he's unable to do. Of course not, just go back to Hume's "ought implies can". I do think, however, that it does make sense to question whether he might be wasting resources and effort.

Agreed, and that is exactly what he does: the foundation has an annual Fail Fest to try to learn from its mistakes.

The website says: "Some of the projects we fund will fail. We not only accept that, we expect it — because we think an essential role of philanthropy is to make bets on promising solutions that governments and businesses can’t afford to make. As we learn which bets pay off, we have to adjust our strategies and share the results so everyone can benefit."

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/Who-We-Are/General-Informatio...

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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We will not solve the problems of the meat industry by convincing people to eat less meat, asceticism never works as public policy. The way forward on that issue is to develop synthetic meat products that can out-compete animal meat on economical/ethical/environmental dimensions.

You just have to put a sin tax on it like we do with (for example) cigarettes.

This is true. If the US stopped giving tax breaks, money, to the corn guys, the hamburger would be a more expensive meal.

Tax-payers are currently paying for people to get cardiovascular diseases.

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