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GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by TheLogothete »

hitekker wrote: post #38
iza wrote: post #15

> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

This makes me sad. I thought you were being over the top about the racism but then I saw the slides in the article: http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2462e526543008... My first reaction is that the language of "us" vs "them", victims vs oppressors, reeks of hatred. Hatred undermines productive conversation, which undermines any attempt at building a good culture. I would have to listen to the whole presen…

So yeah... github just lost an enterprise customer. And I will be making sure they will lose more.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by dominotw »

victor9000 wrote: post #72

> While their efforts are admirable it is very hard to even interview people who are 'white' which makes things challenging How is this even legal? Change 'white' for any other race, and you'd have yourself a workplace discrimination lawsuit.

Its not, but lawsuits are finally happening

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/02/yahoo-sued-over-e...

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by sehr »

fuck__dang wrote: post #98
teen wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

unfortuntely, bitbucket sucks. the website is slow as hell, the design is terrible, the code review features and issue tracking are awful

I mainly use(d) GitHub to have projects to show to potential employers. What could you recommend that would present well?

A personal gitlab instance is always an option, it's 40$ a year though.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by morgante »

Serious question: why can't someone make a good Github replacement that is anywhere near feature parity?

I've tried both Bitbucket and GitLab, but their UIs continue to be leagues behind Github. It takes twice as long to do something in them (ex. find and blame a file) than it does with Github.

If they could just get the UI right, I'd migrate in a second. Hosting providers should enforce political opinions (beyond defending free speech).

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by yulaow »

[deleted] wrote: post #99
yaakov34 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another quote is "it is very hard to even interview people who are 'white'". This is absurd and disgusting. I haven't lived in the US for a while, but lately, I keep hearing all these expressions of straight up racial hatred of white people, all the way up to taking pleasure in white people "dying off" and so on. This kind of thing can't end well and needs to be stopped.

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Just to confirm this, I read a lot of time about black/asian people attacking those of the same ethnicity who don't agree on "white patriarchy" as being "just white inside!".

I even read of people claiming they are trans-black because they inside them feel black (and I am quoting literally) and so other people must see them that way.

You find this on tumblr, on pseudo-feminism propaganda sites, etc... a lot of this is collected in the subreddit reddit.com/r/tumblrinaction

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by politician »

Over the past year, we've moved to limit our exposure to GitHub by shifting repos over to Bitbucket, but it looks like that'll have to accelerate that now. The cultural and leadership turmoil described in the article sounds worse then those DDoS attacks last year. How can they stay focused on building a great product?

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by jcoffland »

fuck__dang wrote: post #69

Well, I migrated to Bitbucket just now. I agree with a few of these points and maybe that's barbaric, but what is worse imo is the approach that GitHub has to this. I mean, when you know you are at the forefront of social software development, you need to hold yourselves at a higher standard than this. Millions (!) of people depend on you for some kind of baseline, and this divisiveness and shallowness in protocol re…

If you migrated to BitBucket just now then you must not have that much code on GitHub.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by almostApatriot1 »

hitekker wrote: post #38
iza wrote: post #15

> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

This makes me sad. I thought you were being over the top about the racism but then I saw the slides in the article: http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2462e526543008... My first reaction is that the language of "us" vs "them", victims vs oppressors, reeks of hatred. Hatred undermines productive conversation, which undermines any attempt at building a good culture. I would have to listen to the whole presen…

Don't see what the big deal is. The slide refers to spearheading a diversity program, not the company itself. Seems intuitive to me that such a program with only white, male managers might be problematic.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by cheald »

fuck__dang wrote: post #98
teen wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

unfortuntely, bitbucket sucks. the website is slow as hell, the design is terrible, the code review features and issue tracking are awful

I mainly use(d) GitHub to have projects to show to potential employers. What could you recommend that would present well?

Gitlab is a great alternative, if you're willing to host it yourself.

Re: GitHub is undergoing a full-blown overhaul as execs and employees depart

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Post by malandrew »

hitekker wrote: post #38
iza wrote: post #15

> "We’re trying to build a new kind of enterprise company where the playbooks of old won’t always work" By replacing flat meritocracy and remote work with traditional top-down management? > "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon, so let's limit their scope of damage" So the technical director and member of the social-impact team is a blatant racist.

This makes me sad. I thought you were being over the top about the racism but then I saw the slides in the article: http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/56b3d2462e526543008... My first reaction is that the language of "us" vs "them", victims vs oppressors, reeks of hatred. Hatred undermines productive conversation, which undermines any attempt at building a good culture. I would have to listen to the whole presen…

I don't know if you even need to see the whole presentation. A few of the full sentences on that one slide are more than enough to project a strong us vs them attitude of hatred and victim versus oppressor, especially the following bullets:

    - "This is not work for white folks to lead"
    - "Some of the biggest barriers to progress are white women"
    - "we need solidarity with our Asian friends and colleagues"
This is blatantly racist language and policy.
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