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Cisco Must Be Held Accountable for Aiding China’s Human Rights Abuses

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Post by DiabloD3 »

maffydub wrote: post #89
DiabloD3 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also completely ignores the fact that local and state governments in the US regularly try to reduce speed limits which often leads to higher accident and fatality rates.

I'm not disputing your comment, but can you provide a citation for this? I did a quick google but the only reference I could find was a report (editorial?) in the Wall Street Journal called "Highways are safe at any speed".

Not off hand, but there's been articles that hit the front page of HN about it.

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iofj wrote: post #108
mirimir wrote: post #85

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> We need to shame islam and take it kicking and screaming into the 20th century. Half of the quran needs to be declared to be toilet paper and nothing more, and then we can talk. Wahhabism exists in the present, you know. And who's this "we"? Liberal Americans and/or Europeans? Who has the standing to dictate religious beliefs? Anyway, the problem is the US government. Or at least, changing its policies is the only…

1) We is everyone, including perhaps most importantly, muslims. 2) Why do I even have to defend that islam should be criticized ? Name one single other ideology where you would ask that question if I asked you if it was okay to smear it. Of course islam should be critisized for being a medieval and stupid faith. So should every other one, of course, but these past few years islam clearly seems to need it significantl…

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Post by vithlani »

Wow! Cisco must be held accountable.

And they will be, right after Tibet is free!

Also after Bush and Co. are held accountable for the middle Easter mess.. oh wait... that doesn't apply. The EFF does not care about real criminals in their own country, only technical ones.

The naivety of it....

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Post by meowface »

united893 wrote: post #44
tim333 wrote: post #18

It seems clear Cisco knew their systems were going to be used against Falun Gong. Leaked Cisco presentation: "Cisco Confidential 57 © 2002, Cisco Systems The Golden Shield Project: Public Network Information Security Monitor System • Stop the network-related crimes • Guarantee the security and services of public network • Combat “Falun Gong” evil religion and other hostiles [Note: Statement of Government goals from s…

Falun Gong is an evil litigious cult created in 1992 as a way to raise money for the founders and cult leaders. They're unscrupulous, including promising terminally ill cancer patients the possibility of healing if they just redirect their remaining wealth toward the cult. They're the Chinese equivalent to Scientology, but even worse. Their teachings are racing, homophobic, sexist and misogynistic. They preached that…

They may be cult-ish, but they don't seem nearly as bad as Scientology. If anything, they're a little more like Catholicism. They preach against homosexuality and deny evolution, but they aren't violent at all, or have beliefs that anyone would consider crazier than what fundamentalist Christians or Muslims believe.

They may not be the paragons of virtue they claim to be, but they definitely have done nothing to deserve mass torture and murder. Real cults like Scientology and Aum Shinrikyo have killed their own members, and non-members. Falun Gong hasn't.

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Post by ptaipale »

jruroc wrote: post #67
est wrote: post #51

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Quick quiz for you: exactly how many people died on that square you mentioned? If not, where are the killing happened? Which side draw first blood?

Are you implying that the Tiananmen Square massacre did not happen?

Not speaking for the previous poster, but it is worth noting that talking about "Tiananmen Square massacre" may be misleading, because AFAIK the majority of fatalities, both of protesters and soldiers, happened outside the square, in the streets.

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Post by SixSigma »

Qwertious wrote: post #71
SixSigma wrote: post #66

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Obama is insane now ?

Well to be fair, the NSA is still doing its thing. This makes it hard to criticise China for doing similar things.

That's not the same as "insane" though is it.
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