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This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

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Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

#121

Unfortunately this is not true: "Beginning January 12, 2016, only the most current version of Internet Explorer available for a supported operating system will receive technical supports and security updates." The latest Internet Explorer version that runs on Windows Vista is Internet Explorer 9. So there will still be users using that... Windows Vista will have security updates till 2020.

Indeed, Vista being EOL 11 April 2017. It does mean that IE 10 is EOL, but not 9 for another 15 months.

Have they no Firefox? no Chrome?

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

#122

Oh poor, deluded TNW. Software only dies in the way developers care about when users stop using it. Well beside its actual expiry (which seems to be 2020), people STILL use XP with an ancient versions of IE6 and IE7. Many Vista users stick on IE7. So calm yourself and put flexbox back down. You've got a few years before that's supported enough.

At my current job, IE < 10 is less than 2% and support for IE8 has already dropped, and IE9 will next month iirc.

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

#123

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> I don't need to 'cite' what I can see with my own eyes from the stats of my payment services provider You could be a liar, idiot, troll, or just really love IE. Why would anyone take your word for it.

> You could be a liar, idiot, troll, or just really love IE. You omitted the possibility that I might be right, am not an idiot, am not prone to either lying or trolling and absolutely detest IE (and have not used windows for a really very long time). > Why would anyone take your word for it. Please don't. Ignore me and whatever I write here on the off chance that there is a grain of truth in it and that it will make…

You are right. As much as people love to hate IE7/8 etc, they still help make a lot of money. (millions of $)

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

#124

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> I don't need to 'cite' what I can see with my own eyes from the stats of my payment services provider You could be a liar, idiot, troll, or just really love IE. Why would anyone take your word for it.

> You could be a liar, idiot, troll, or just really love IE. You omitted the possibility that I might be right, am not an idiot, am not prone to either lying or trolling and absolutely detest IE (and have not used windows for a really very long time). > Why would anyone take your word for it. Please don't. Ignore me and whatever I write here on the off chance that there is a grain of truth in it and that it will make…

As someone who has taught himself development after more than ten years in entrepreneurship, marketing, advertising and strategy, I find you arguments too simplistic, with no regard to strategic tradeoffs. A successful business needs to be able to "fire" some of its clients to gain competitive advantage or increase operational efficiency. And sometimes those clients are users with old browsers.

Branding a request for proofs to general, overarching statements as personal prosecution (Spanish inquisition, really?) is a sign of discourse grounded in ideology, not practical considerations.

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

#125

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> You could be a liar, idiot, troll, or just really love IE. You omitted the possibility that I might be right, am not an idiot, am not prone to either lying or trolling and absolutely detest IE (and have not used windows for a really very long time). > Why would anyone take your word for it. Please don't. Ignore me and whatever I write here on the off chance that there is a grain of truth in it and that it will make…

You are right. As much as people love to hate IE7/8 etc, they still help make a lot of money. (millions of $)

This applies only for a diminishingly small amount of large corporations and is not applicable to absolute majority of HN startups/bootstraps/side projects.

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

#126
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It's a fine way to run. data based decision based on the cost of support and the amount of traffic.

It is extremely rare that the cost to support a browser outweighs the economic importance of those using those browsers. If it is then you are probably too small an entity to matter anyway, but as soon as your IE6 users are numerous enough that you can assign a percentage to the population you would probably be well advised to simply serve them rather than to attempt to force them to upgrade, if they haven't done so…

I am working at a Fortune 100 financial company currently, IE8 support is already retired, and IE9 in the next month or so. This being a numbers based decision.

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

#127

Given that IE may be the only widely-used browser that restrains web developers from going completely gung-ho with the fancy new stuff and creating even more sites that are just plain user-hostile and annoying (e.g. see the rise of superfluous SPAs and/or massive amounts of JS required to load simple static content, replacing sites that worked fine without), I fear that this will make casual browsing a worse experien…

That ship sailed long ago. The people who make use of all the cool new stuff either explicitly don't care about IE, or ship polyfills and then don't really check to make sure they work (because they don't care about IE).

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

#128

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Indeed, Vista being EOL 11 April 2017. It does mean that IE 10 is EOL, but not 9 for another 15 months.

Have they no Firefox? no Chrome?

Chrome will drop support for Windows Vista and XP in April 2016. Firefox still supports Windows versions all the way back to XP SP2. About 14% of Firefox users still run XP!

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

#129
post #90

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If I was a developer, I'd carefully look at my referer logs and if only 15% of my user community was using IE 8-10, I'd just develop for IE 10. I would NOT warn the end users about needing to upgrade, I'd just let script errors occur and not release any compatibility fixes. I'd respond to support tickets explaining that there are bugs in their old version of IE and suggest they upgrade, or install Chrome or Firefox.…

> If I was a developer, It's pretty clear you're not a developer (or wouldn't be for long). There are two really bad decisions here: 1) You are driving away up to 15% of people who actually use your product. How much would you spend to acquire that many active users? It's easier to keep existing users than acquire new users. 2) Sending users through a ticket system for errors you could have prevented with a simple wa…

Depends on your user base. In my current application/site, our IE disclaimer: my opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer.

Re: This is party time; Internet Explorer 8, 9 and 10 die on Tuesday

#130

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Have they no Firefox? no Chrome?

Chrome will drop support for Windows Vista and XP in April 2016. Firefox still supports Windows versions all the way back to XP SP2. About 14% of Firefox users still run XP!

Maybe it's time to stop running a 10+ year old operating system?
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