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The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by free2rhyme214 »

bgp wrote: post #117
paragpatelone wrote: post #77

"His self-funded experiment could end with Hotz humbly going back to knock on Google’s door for a job." The biggest thing here IMO is this is self-funded. Any startup trying to do what he is doing in this environment would have raised $50 Million, hired 100's of engineers from top notch schools, become accepted in YC, and have Marc Andreessen, Paul Graham, Sam Altman and all singing their praises. Kudos to him for be…

Creating 1 job is better than hundreds?

Self-funding this experiment is probably harder than creating 100 jobs.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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josefresco wrote: post #61
thedz wrote: post #4

> “I understand the state-of-the-art papers,” he says. “The math is simple. For the first time in my life, I’m like, ‘I know everything there is to know.’ ” Yep, he's still in his twenties.

I wish I could upvote this more. A person in their 20's knows nothing, but thinks they've outsmarted the world. It's not until your 30's that you realize how big of an idiot you were/are and how much of the world you actually understand (read: little).

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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by ZanyProgrammer »

pjc50 wrote: post #29

The 21" monitor portrait-style in the car is fantastic. The testing of a hacked-together system on the public road is not. He probably won't kill anyone, but if he were to I suspect he'd get the book thrown at him in the way that everyday death-by-DUI drivers don't. Actually I'll go futher with this criticism: we've just seen drones being FAA regulated because users were unable to refrain from doing dangerous or nuis…

That screen looks like the mother of all distractions.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by Nav_Panel »

jpfr wrote: post #37

Prototypical case of the 80/20 rule. He has implemented the happy case. But that system is nothing people realistically would want to drive their cars. What he did is impressive. But the results are not that outlandish for a talented person. 1) Hook up a computer to the CAN-Bus network of the car [1] and attach a bunch of sensor peripherals. 2) Drive around for some time and record everything to disk. 3) Implement so…

It's pretty cool that it can be done on the cheap, though. I imagine a lot of people would be willing to pay a couple hundred dollars to retrofit their car to get autosteer alongside their cruise control feature.

Small personal example: my family lives out in the suburbs. My dad works in a neighboring city. His commute is about a half hour, 20 minutes of which is a straight shot on a major highway. I'm sure he'd be willing to pay a few hundred to reclaim that 20 minutes each way to read a book/the newspaper, check his email, browse the internet, etc.

It'd also be good for road trips.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by ignoramous »

bgp wrote: post #117
paragpatelone wrote: post #77

"His self-funded experiment could end with Hotz humbly going back to knock on Google’s door for a job." The biggest thing here IMO is this is self-funded. Any startup trying to do what he is doing in this environment would have raised $50 Million, hired 100's of engineers from top notch schools, become accepted in YC, and have Marc Andreessen, Paul Graham, Sam Altman and all singing their praises. Kudos to him for be…

Creating 1 job is better than hundreds?

I think his/her point is that just because the usual suspects aren't backing this venture, there's lot of negativity about the project here on HN.

Like Palmer Luckey of Oculus VR, I hope G Hotz has a similar story to tell at the end of it all.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by forgotpasswd3x »

bgp wrote: post #117
paragpatelone wrote: post #77

"His self-funded experiment could end with Hotz humbly going back to knock on Google’s door for a job." The biggest thing here IMO is this is self-funded. Any startup trying to do what he is doing in this environment would have raised $50 Million, hired 100's of engineers from top notch schools, become accepted in YC, and have Marc Andreessen, Paul Graham, Sam Altman and all singing their praises. Kudos to him for be…

Creating 1 job is better than hundreds?

Is this less impressive to you because he didn't 'create jobs'?

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by puranjay »

paragpatelone wrote: post #77

"His self-funded experiment could end with Hotz humbly going back to knock on Google’s door for a job." The biggest thing here IMO is this is self-funded. Any startup trying to do what he is doing in this environment would have raised $50 Million, hired 100's of engineers from top notch schools, become accepted in YC, and have Marc Andreessen, Paul Graham, Sam Altman and all singing their praises. Kudos to him for be…

While I understand where you're coming from, and even feel emotionally invested in the idea of bootstrapping, objectively speaking, it's a bad decision to stay self-funded. It is, after all, a business, and if you can accelerate your business' growth 100x by taking on some very smart outside investors and hire very smart people, why wouldn't you?

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by jMyles »

bgp wrote: post #117
paragpatelone wrote: post #77

"His self-funded experiment could end with Hotz humbly going back to knock on Google’s door for a job." The biggest thing here IMO is this is self-funded. Any startup trying to do what he is doing in this environment would have raised $50 Million, hired 100's of engineers from top notch schools, become accepted in YC, and have Marc Andreessen, Paul Graham, Sam Altman and all singing their praises. Kudos to him for be…

Creating 1 job is better than hundreds?

In a word, yes.

"Jobs" are not an end in themselves, and are decreasingly relevant in the information age.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by ProAm »

dominotw wrote: post #66
jaybosamiya wrote: post #44

> The last people with jobs will be AI programmers Geohotz makes a decent point. The way the industrial revolution reduced manual labour, and made thinkers and tinkerers much more valuable, the advent of AI (true AI, mind you, not the tiny stuff that we currently assume) might actually make us obsolete. It is a peaceful and yet terrifying thought.

Can you point to one such job where someone lost his/her job to "AI"?

Look at any automated warehouse these days. Pickers, stockers, warehouse managers..... Those are going by the way side.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Post by deftnerd »

@imgeohot - Before launch, you should look into a communications protocol between the vehicles. It appears to me that the new LiFi standard might be perfect. You might be able to use the laser range finders themselves to communicate between vehicles.

What to communicate? I'm not sure, to be honest. Road conditions or notifications of the position of obstacles is one obvious thing. Advertising the current version of the software and pushing signed OS upgrade binaries is another. Voice/Video chat with other vehicles in range would be cool, as is media syncing and discovery.

Building in some kind of Bitcoin based payment protocol would be fun too. You could load your cars Bitcoin wallet with some funds and tip cars around you all over the LiFi.

I'm not saying you need to build all that stuff, just put in a good hackable messaging protocol into the system before wide release :-)

Great work man. Good to see people with a good hacker ethos accomplish really cool things.

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