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Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

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While I generally agree with the sentiment of this article, Rotten Tomatoes and its ilk have problems of their own. Virtually every small-budget independent film on the site winds up with a very high rating, likely thanks to the big-budget hating, pretentious film critics whose reviews it compiles and summarizes. Likely for the same reason, some larger budget films that receive high RT scores from audiences receive l…

Yeah, the thing that is really important about reviews, is that you as a reader knows the reviewer and their taste. So we really need something similar to Netflix rating system, where the rating displayed to you is generated from users with similar taste who have already seen the movie. http://tastekid.com/ let's you search for movies you might like based on movies you do like. It's not quite the same, but I don't kn…

Try http://www.criticker.com

I've been using it for years, it's pretty good.

Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

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post #32

I never trust any online reviews, especially aggregate reviews, because I have never found any to hew remotely closely to my taste (the best example is on RT, the worst movie I've seen in the last two decades is rated 95% fresh). The only approach I've found that works is to pick a professional reviewer that is marginally close to my taste, read a lot of their reviews, so I know where I tend to agree and where I disa…

Finding people that rate in the same way as you is an interesting concept at https://www.mov3y.com

Try http://www.criticker.com Same concept, I'd say it has a simpler and clearer interface.

Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

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post #119

My experience has shown that the only movies worth looking at are rated > 7/10 anything below is mostly crap. But this only works for movies that are mainstream BUT not too real blockbusters. Because stuff like the fast and the furious or transformers gets good ratings anyways. But I use such ratings only to get something light on a boring evening. Mostly I watch ArtHaus stuff and don't look at those ratings.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/search/?search=transformers

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/search/?search=fast+and+furiou...

Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

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While I generally agree with the sentiment of this article, Rotten Tomatoes and its ilk have problems of their own. Virtually every small-budget independent film on the site winds up with a very high rating, likely thanks to the big-budget hating, pretentious film critics whose reviews it compiles and summarizes. Likely for the same reason, some larger budget films that receive high RT scores from audiences receive l…

Unless you know, you're also a tad pretentious, just roll with the audience scores. Audiences don't care about art. It's more difficult to buy the audience and you can't really intimidate them into giving you good reviews. The audience will nuke those independent films because they don't care that it was an amazing achievement from a small studio. The audience will likely tell you the truth.

When it comes to PC gaming, it's been fairly well established for a long time that you can't really trust most of the reviewers. They're either bought and paid for, intimidated or not giving enough time to evaluate. I've been relying on user scores for a long time and whilst I doubt this is perfect, I'm happy with my decision.

Example: http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/grand-theft-auto-v

Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

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post #119

My experience has shown that the only movies worth looking at are rated > 7/10 anything below is mostly crap. But this only works for movies that are mainstream BUT not too real blockbusters. Because stuff like the fast and the furious or transformers gets good ratings anyways. But I use such ratings only to get something light on a boring evening. Mostly I watch ArtHaus stuff and don't look at those ratings.

My own experience is that there is no correlation between online rankings and my own enjoyment.

I enjoy some higly-rated popular movies, and I hate many of them with a passion. Many of my favorite movies, which I would consider truly great, are somewhere around 4-6 on IMDb/metacritic because they don't have mainstream appeal.

Suggestion engines like NetFlix or Spotify don't seem to do any better at predicting what I like.

There's no accounting for taste.

Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

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post #63

Oh wow, that's rich. Quoting from the article: Sites like Rotten Tomatoes that aggregate movie reviews into one overall rating are being blamed for poor opening weekends. The best part is that the quote above even provides a link to the reference they are using for the made statement.[0] In effect, the studios are complaining that news of the films' crappiness are spreading too fast . Let that sink in. The studios co…

The problem with Rotten Tomatoes is that - I suspect- the studios are perfectly able to influence the professional reviewers. Or, more probably, professional reviewers adjust their expectations and judgments on the type of movie they're reviewing. The end result is that every recent shiny pile-of-crap produced by Hollywood gets enthusiastic reviews and therefore excellent scores on RT. Gravity: RT score 97% 2001 A Sp…

I thought the Martian was excellent. You'll notice that the user-rated % is higher than the critics, at 94%.

From the video game aggregation space, you tend to see the type of thing you're suggesting (games that are big-budget-questionably-reviewed) have _much_ lower user-scores than critics. I would be surprised if user-rated movies was different.

Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

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post #63

Oh wow, that's rich. Quoting from the article: Sites like Rotten Tomatoes that aggregate movie reviews into one overall rating are being blamed for poor opening weekends. The best part is that the quote above even provides a link to the reference they are using for the made statement.[0] In effect, the studios are complaining that news of the films' crappiness are spreading too fast . Let that sink in. The studios co…

> When a bunch of reviews can undo the effects of a massive, weeks or months long marketing push, I'd say it's time to rethink your product strategy. Whenever a debate about advertising pops up on HN, many people defend it as the necessary way for consumers to find out about good products. Healthy free markets depend on informed consumers, but to think that advertising results in informed consumers makes little sense…

That'd be nice, but it hasn't happened yet.

I'm not going to make a grand sweeping statement here, but certainly, I've found out about multiple useful products via adverts. I actively don't want them to go away completely.

I am very interested in hearing about new products in a number of spaces. If people can pay to let me know, briefly, about their thing that they think I might find useful, I'm cool with that.

Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

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post #32

I never trust any online reviews, especially aggregate reviews, because I have never found any to hew remotely closely to my taste (the best example is on RT, the worst movie I've seen in the last two decades is rated 95% fresh). The only approach I've found that works is to pick a professional reviewer that is marginally close to my taste, read a lot of their reviews, so I know where I tend to agree and where I disa…

I love RT, but I think people misinterpret the percentage. It doesn't mean that the film was 95% 'good', it means there was a 95% chance you'd like the film and a 5% chance you'd dislike it based on a sampling of professional reviews. Something to bear in mind is that a slight above mediocre film can have a 100% rating if it has wide appeal.

Here is a great article talking about the differences between RT & Metacritic: http://www.thecroakingfrog.com/blog/rotten-tomatoes-vs-metac...

I personally find that there are less misfires on a good Metacritic score.

Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

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post #40
post #32

I never trust any online reviews, especially aggregate reviews, because I have never found any to hew remotely closely to my taste (the best example is on RT, the worst movie I've seen in the last two decades is rated 95% fresh). The only approach I've found that works is to pick a professional reviewer that is marginally close to my taste, read a lot of their reviews, so I know where I tend to agree and where I disa…

I'm curious, what was the 95% fresh movie that you thought was the worst movie in 2 decades?

"Gravity" wasn't the worst in two decades, but it is a pile of crap, and it does have 97% on RT and 7.9 on IMDB.

Re: Be Suspicious of Online Movie Ratings

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post #32

I never trust any online reviews, especially aggregate reviews, because I have never found any to hew remotely closely to my taste (the best example is on RT, the worst movie I've seen in the last two decades is rated 95% fresh). The only approach I've found that works is to pick a professional reviewer that is marginally close to my taste, read a lot of their reviews, so I know where I tend to agree and where I disa…

Agreed.

I'm a serious movie fan. I've seen more movies than the 99.999th percentile of the worldwide public. Officially filtered for a number of film festivals, including at least one you've heard of.

And I still give heavy weight to certain reviewers for general release films. It's all about finding people you more or less agree with.

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