Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices • Hacker News Board

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by cwilkes » Tue, Sep 29, 2015, 11:57 PM UTC

0898 wrote: post #49

cyberpanther wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My prediction, the next dead unicorn: Dropbox They are similar in that they haven't made anything note worthy in a while and their main product is really just a feature of bigger companies apps and services.

I'm curious: why do you feel Dropbox needs to make something new and noteworthy? Why can't it just stick to its knitting, and continue to offer something that works and people find valuable?

Check out this article: http://www.theverge.com/2015/9/22/9372563/dropbox-really-is-...

There was another article recently that said that files are old news and people are using Slack. Granted they are shipping files in that, but people have probably moved on to web hosted versions of documents anyway.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by dmritard96 » Tue, Sep 29, 2015, 11:59 PM UTC

So what is are you paying for at evernote that you cant get (or get well) elsewhere. I haven't used it myself for more than a few minutes and didn't see it but obviously there is something there. Curious to understand what exactly that is?

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by dasil003 » Tue, Sep 29, 2015, 11:59 PM UTC

on_ wrote: post #85

wrsh07 wrote: post #32

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Dropbox must have many more corp customers than evernote, no?

I am sure. However, like evernote the difficult problem they solved several years ago is no longer difficult, but quite easy and become much more cheap. Couple that with security and privacy risks and the value proposition changes quickly. Maybe they are gearing up for a google merger or something. They are doing their mailbox app which looks cool and integrates storage and syncing. However, once again 1. Why would I…

When did file sync become easy? I agree it's become commonplace with Google Drive and iCloud bringing respectable implementations to market, but I think it's still far from easy.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by CodeWriter23 » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 12:02 AM UTC

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #10

I know that it is the common vernacular, but you didn't let them go, you fired them. Surely they would prefer to not go and continue to pay their mortgage. I'm sure it wasn't easy to fire them, but don't try and make the situation rosey. The folks who decided on the direction of the company decided wrong and now they have to fire the people who executed those decision. Edit: Would you all prefer the word "Terminated"…

The dictionary agrees with you. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fired?s=t

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by rsync » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 12:02 AM UTC

jason_slack wrote: post #106

I was an Evernote Premium customer and enjoyed multi-device syncing and private notebooks. I had my own account, paid for out of my own pocket for a year. The company I worked for also decided to used Evernote and I could see our "Team" notebooks, right along with my stuff. When the company stopped using it, not only did I lose the "Team" notebooks, it took all of my personal data with it. I lost everything. Support…

That is incredible. I'm sorry that behavior like that exists and that service providers can be so terrible at what they do.

It also sounds like an implied admission, on the part of evernote, of not having working backups ? I would think that they would have found some way any way to get your data back to you given what just happened.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by symstym » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 12:02 AM UTC

Long ago I got tired of Evernote's bugs and creep of extraneous features and switched to Workflowy [1] for the majority of my general (plaintext) note-taking. I love Workflowy and can't imagine life without it.

[1] https://workflowy.com/

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by jzwinck » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 12:04 AM UTC

jason_slack wrote: post #106

I was an Evernote Premium customer and enjoyed multi-device syncing and private notebooks. I had my own account, paid for out of my own pocket for a year. The company I worked for also decided to used Evernote and I could see our "Team" notebooks, right along with my stuff. When the company stopped using it, not only did I lose the "Team" notebooks, it took all of my personal data with it. I lost everything. Support…

Does this imply they do not have backups? Or did they offer some other explanation?

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by dasil003 » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 12:06 AM UTC

xiaoma wrote: post #120

defen wrote: post #109

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GRPN is down nearly 46% since that was written...

That makes the bull side of the argument significantly stronger, especially given that N. American gross billings are up 12% year-over-year in the last quarter. I have no financial position either way, and I'm not claiming everything is rosy for GRPN but it's very far from being a "dead unicorn" and at least by my analysis the stock is pretty undervalued at the moment.

Groupon's problem is with repeat business. I think they're still churning through naive businesses that don't understand the value proposition. If they can't get repeat customers then their upside is limited. I would be very wary of judging Groupon based purely on historic cashflow.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by copperx » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 12:06 AM UTC

jason_slack wrote: post #106

I was an Evernote Premium customer and enjoyed multi-device syncing and private notebooks. I had my own account, paid for out of my own pocket for a year. The company I worked for also decided to used Evernote and I could see our "Team" notebooks, right along with my stuff. When the company stopped using it, not only did I lose the "Team" notebooks, it took all of my personal data with it. I lost everything. Support…

This is insane. Although I believe Evernote is one of the few products that allow you to export your data.

Re: Evernote cuts 47 employees and shuts down 3 offices

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Post by ma2rten » Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 12:07 AM UTC

rsync wrote: post #125

jason_slack wrote: post #106

I was an Evernote Premium customer and enjoyed multi-device syncing and private notebooks. I had my own account, paid for out of my own pocket for a year. The company I worked for also decided to used Evernote and I could see our "Team" notebooks, right along with my stuff. When the company stopped using it, not only did I lose the "Team" notebooks, it took all of my personal data with it. I lost everything. Support…

That is incredible. I'm sorry that behavior like that exists and that service providers can be so terrible at what they do. It also sounds like an implied admission, on the part of evernote, of not having working backups ? I would think that they would have found some way any way to get your data back to you given what just happened.

That might just mean that they delete all backups when the account gets deleted for privacy reasons.