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Car industry 'buried report revealing US car safety flaws over fears for TTIP'

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Re: Car industry 'buried report revealing US car safety flaws over fears for TTIP'

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Another reason why Tesla is so far ahead of the game. Elon Musk had the engineers design the vehicle to be as safe as possible, period. They didn't design the safety of the car with the crash tests in mind. They passed all the crash tests with flying colors as a side-effect of actually designing for safety.

Tesla Model S is interesting example actually. Initially it was imported into EU with something of a waiver from full ECE regs due to few number. Some of the earliest ones in EU have 8 airbags just as in US (larger dual stage front airbags), then more with ECE front (dual layer) airbags. By MY15 all had only six airbags, the knee bolsters were removed. The reason for this is that in US models with dual stage airbags the knee bolsters deploy in unison with the seatbelt pretensioners to keep the front occupants positioned safely when the front airbag deploys an since they are dual stage units it is very important that happen. The Model S is a big enough car that with the smaller less forceful ECE airbags it is not so much of an issue if the occupant slides under a bit and has abdomen closer to airbag as it deploys. This was likely done for cost as it did not provide enough ROI in terms of safety in EU markets. There is a digit in the VIN in fact that codifies these differences. In addition there are a number of other safety systems that differ between US and EU models of the S.

Tesla did make a very safe car, but they did not do so blind to varying regulations in different markets as well as the demands or running a business profitably.

Re: Car industry 'buried report revealing US car safety flaws over fears for TTIP'

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The 5 point racing harnesses have a very easy to use quick release on it, as it releases all the straps at once. You don't have to unthread your arm from it, like you do with a typical car 3 point system, and the release on typical auto belts is inferior. The webbing is narrower and thinner, too. I wonder if that was a factor in the Volvo study.

It doesn't seem like a five-point harnesses would work well with a skirt, dress or kilt.

They also make 4 point ones, which don't have that issue.

The crotch strap is to prevent your body from submarining out from under the lap belt.

Re: Car industry 'buried report revealing US car safety flaws over fears for TTIP'

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I'm looking at the kind of accidents where an airbag is supposed to be effective. An airbag will do nothing for you if the car is burning. The first and foremost safety device in a race car is the racing belt. The belt means you slow down with the car, which is much less deceleration than if your body hits the dashboard. (The point of crumple zones in the car is to reduced peak deceleration. In order for that to work…

An airbag allows the driver's head to experience even lower deceleration than the car, because it gives the head an extra 1-2 feet in which to decelerate--the distance between the upright position and smashed into the deployed airbag. When wearing a 5-point harness without a helmet and head restraint, the deceleration delta between the car and the head will be entirely borne by the structure of the neck, which is how…

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Re: Car industry 'buried report revealing US car safety flaws over fears for TTIP'

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At the risk of sounding cynical and jaded, is anyone remotely surprised by this? The EU has been pushing car encouraging manufacturers to work harder at car safety for longer, and more effectively than the US has. Seat belts? Volvo. Air bags? First made standard in Mercs and Porsches, at a time when Ford and GM were lobbying against being made to include them. They became optional and then standard between the mid to…

To elaborate on NCAP: to reach the highest level of safetly in Europe, there are certain accident scenarios involving pedestrians where the safety of the pedestrian factors in (i.e. not only the passengers' ).

Re: Car industry 'buried report revealing US car safety flaws over fears for TTIP'

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Quite simply US car manufacturers don't have to make their cars as safe, as a result they include bare minimum safety requirements to pass regulation and save on costs. As another poster says it also seems that they do little R&D in this area either, again probably to save costs and to be able spend money designing more inefficient trucks for single occupants.

That's only part of it, US law requires safty systems to designed around for an adult not using a belt which results in a less safe car when someone wares a belt or is not an adult male. PS: EU microcar are terrable in high speed crashes, but there not designed for high speed driving either. So it's generally not a real world issue.

Well thats some dumb regulation right there. There is a law that requires people to wear seatbelts and then you make another law that says design safety equipment as if people are ignoring the original law.

This penalises law abiding citizens to protect those who decide to ignore the law and not wear a seatbelt.

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