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Uber shakes up real estate market with massive lease in Oakland

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Re: Uber shakes up real estate market with massive lease in Oakland

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Post by philsnow »

muzmath wrote: post #108
aeling wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Midwestern coder, I could definitely see peers making that mistake - 80k seems like a lot when you're used to rent in the low hundreds. That said, where are you getting 80k? I didn't see it in either the GP link or the original story, and would expect Uber to be hiring at higher salaries than that given other comments in this thread re: the cash/stock split.

Low hundreds? Not even in the middle of no where in the midwest will the low hundreds get you a half-decent place.

In my last year of grad school, I splurged and got a three-bedroom apartment in the guest house behind the mansion of an auto industry magnate, with utilities paid for $745. This was an amazing apartment, too (though maybe it was only amazing in comparison to the cookie-cutter apartments I had stayed in before).

I think it's quite possible to find rent in the low hundreds for a place that is "half decent".

Re: Uber shakes up real estate market with massive lease in Oakland

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Post by djrogers »

rdl wrote: post #9

I'd heard this was going to be a Google office. Oh well. I wonder how much "not driving over the fucking bridge" is worth to people. Uber salaries tend to be pretty good (partially to make up for the stock being so high), and they have a great team, plus are clearly on a rocket ship trajectory, and are easy to explain as a product to anyone. Offering $150-250k cash, great overall packages, AND being able to buy or re…

Moraga is rural? In what sense?

Re: Uber shakes up real estate market with massive lease in Oakland

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Post by dllthomas »

djrogers wrote: post #122
rdl wrote: post #9

I'd heard this was going to be a Google office. Oh well. I wonder how much "not driving over the fucking bridge" is worth to people. Uber salaries tend to be pretty good (partially to make up for the stock being so high), and they have a great team, plus are clearly on a rocket ship trajectory, and are easy to explain as a product to anyone. Offering $150-250k cash, great overall packages, AND being able to buy or re…

Moraga is rural? In what sense?

Compared to Fremont, I guess...

Re: Uber shakes up real estate market with massive lease in Oakland

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Post by dllthomas »

parasubvert wrote: post #67
cookiecaper wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be a nice way to comfort yourself about living not only in CA but in either SF or Oakland, but it's not real life. I've worked in the downtowns of multiple major metropolitan areas, and have never seen anyone defecate in public, nor have I witnessed a robbery. I was once pressed to buy crack in the Crossroads District of KCMO, but that's pretty much it. I used to walk from Crossroads to Crown Center for lu…

Apparently you've not lived or worked in the Tenderloin or deep SOMA. In a 2 year period I saw/experienced: - defecation, urination, and masturbation in broad daylight on the sidewalk - heroin injection - a half full 26er of vodka fly out of a window and hit me at my feet - packs of men with assless chaps and various states of undress and arousal in line at a Subway (it was the Folsom street fair week) , one holding…

You seem to have misread the parent comment as saying they haven't seen this stuff in SF - they said they haven't seen this stuff where they have worked, in other major cities.

Re: Uber shakes up real estate market with massive lease in Oakland

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Post by dllthomas »

muzmath wrote: post #108
aeling wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Midwestern coder, I could definitely see peers making that mistake - 80k seems like a lot when you're used to rent in the low hundreds. That said, where are you getting 80k? I didn't see it in either the GP link or the original story, and would expect Uber to be hiring at higher salaries than that given other comments in this thread re: the cash/stock split.

Low hundreds? Not even in the middle of no where in the midwest will the low hundreds get you a half-decent place.

Summer in Ann Arbor, I was paying $450 for room and board...

Re: Uber shakes up real estate market with massive lease in Oakland

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Post by pyrrhotech »

tfigueroa wrote: post #84

Listen. Pandora is two blocks away, so I can say it: this is a bad move for Uber. * Oakland isn't cool anymore. We were here before it was cool. And we are barely cool. * Attrition is terrible. Coworkers either get shot or are poached by Clorox. I heard we lost a Glass developer to the dock worker's union. * Mass transit at that particular location is astounding: the free green bus, the ferry, BART, an AC transit hub…

As someone who lives in Hayward (and owns real estate there) I hope you are right. Do you know of any companies moving to Hayward?

Re: Uber shakes up real estate market with massive lease in Oakland

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Post by parasubvert »

dllthomas wrote: post #124
parasubvert wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apparently you've not lived or worked in the Tenderloin or deep SOMA. In a 2 year period I saw/experienced: - defecation, urination, and masturbation in broad daylight on the sidewalk - heroin injection - a half full 26er of vodka fly out of a window and hit me at my feet - packs of men with assless chaps and various states of undress and arousal in line at a Subway (it was the Folsom street fair week) , one holding…

You seem to have misread the parent comment as saying they haven't seen this stuff in SF - they said they haven't seen this stuff where they have worked, in other major cities.

I read that. But they said "it's not real life". It is, and not just in SF/Oakland. Plenty of weird experiences to be had in New York or Toronto, for example.

Re: Uber shakes up real estate market with massive lease in Oakland

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Post by dllthomas »

parasubvert wrote: post #127
dllthomas wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to have misread the parent comment as saying they haven't seen this stuff in SF - they said they haven't seen this stuff where they have worked, in other major cities.

I read that. But they said "it's not real life". It is, and not just in SF/Oakland. Plenty of weird experiences to be had in New York or Toronto, for example.

Ah, you interpreted cookiecaper as saying "this problem doesn't happen, period". In which case, your response makes sense - "of course it happens in these parts of SF under discussion".

I read that comment as more narrowly disputing "most mid to large size American cities have it". Revisiting, I do think my initial reading was correct. If cookiecaper was denying the problem existed, why would imagining it be "a nice way to comfort yourself about living [...] in either SF or Oakland"? The comment makes substantially more sense as asserting that 1) the problems in SF are not problems elsewhere, and 2) a view that they are problems everywhere (and thus maybe not solvable) is not reality based, so SF and Oakland must be "Doing It Wrong". I don't agree with that comment - as you can see from my direct response to it - but the logic of it is coherent in a way it would not be if it were supporting the other point.

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