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Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by ciupicri »

zerr wrote: post #62
candl wrote: post #23

It "amazes" me why these "refugees" flock to Germany or Great Britain and not to their very wealthy brethren in countries such as Kuwaii, Egypt, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Arab Emirates, etc... Same culture, same religion and they are much closer! It also amazes me why the EU leaders insist for other European countries to accept these "refugees" when the majority of EU countries is not responsible for this situation at all…

We (Europeans) never bothered about cultural and religious closeness when we were occupying, colonizing and sucking goods from them, did we?

What Europeans? Do you mean UK and France?

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by zerr »

ciupicri wrote: post #121
zerr wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We (Europeans) never bothered about cultural and religious closeness when we were occupying, colonizing and sucking goods from them, did we?

What Europeans? Do you mean UK and France?

Pretty much every European country:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_European_coloni...

Re: Refugees Welcome

#123

Post by masteryupa_ »

powertower wrote: post #119

I really can't imagine anyone singing up for this except a few people. The recent waves or unchecked immigration has produced nothing but negative effects to the population, to such an extent that even recent immigrants themselves want the doors shut.

"The recent waves or unchecked immigration has produced nothing but negative effects to the population..."

Citation please.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by draugadrotten »

jacobush wrote: post #59
mrdodge wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These people will not be net contributors to the system.

I don't know about Germany but the average immigrant coming to Sweden currently has more education than the general population in Sweden. (11.5 years vs 11)

> I don't know about Germany but the average immigrant coming to Sweden currently has more education than the general population in Sweden. (11.5 years vs 11) reply

This is simply false. Please provide a source for this claim, preferably SCB.

Official statistics claim that Syrian refugees have 3 year university degree in 10% of cases, and the Swedish population have 24% a degree.

Official statistics: http://www.scb.se/sv_/Hitta-statistik/Publiceringskalender/V...

Google translate can tell you more http://www.tino.us/2015/04/onsketankande-av-stefan-lofven-at...

Please back this book - it will give some valuable insights.

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Re: Refugees Welcome

#125

Post by chbrown »

kcbanner wrote: post #26

Your strange scrolling webpage makes it hard to read the actual content without scrolling past. Why do people insist on using this broken scrolling behaviour.

I'm sure they did a lot of user testing and decided that their Javascript-powered scrolling mechanism was a better user experience than the default browser behavior of just moving up and down proportionally to your mouse wheel.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by rmxt »

powertower wrote: post #119

I really can't imagine anyone singing up for this except a few people. The recent waves or unchecked immigration has produced nothing but negative effects to the population, to such an extent that even recent immigrants themselves want the doors shut.

Which recent waves? Negative effects to which populations of which countries?

Where are these supposed recent immigrants that want the doors shut? Evidence please.

Re: Refugees Welcome

#127

Post by ashleyp »

gyardley wrote: post #91
ashleyp wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who says we're not?

The legal codes we're subject to, whether we are or we aren't. I believe in most locales people are responsible for their own children, but - and correct me if I'm wrong, happy to learn something - I don't think there's anything in there that makes anyone responsible for random strangers on the other side of the planet. Again, this doesn't have anything to do with whether we should be responsible for random strangers…

Hello :)

So in my perspective, no one can make us =).

But - we can choose to be. Or choose not to be. I.e we, individually say if we are or are not. It is our choice.

I choose to be (as much as I can, and I may not be able to do much in these circumstances but I try in others of my life as much as possible and I dedicate most of my time to others).

I choose to be because I believe this builds a better planet and it encourages help rather than a "I'm not helping i'm not responsible. Find the person to blame and make them pay". But how do we ever find the person to blame?

Is it the refugee coming over in hope with their family for a better life? Is it the people fighting in the war? The people who started the war?

Who should pay the price?

In my studies of humanity and cultures the place that most inspired me was an island where every child was taken care of by every family on that island. There were no barriers, parents treated every kid as their own.

So, forgive my post if it has come across as convincing people they should take responsibility that was not the case. I was asking a genuine question in the sense, why can we not help? Why does responsibility matter really?

Re: Refugees Welcome

#128

Post by dudul »

masteryupa_ wrote: post #123
powertower wrote: post #119

I really can't imagine anyone singing up for this except a few people. The recent waves or unchecked immigration has produced nothing but negative effects to the population, to such an extent that even recent immigrants themselves want the doors shut.

"The recent waves or unchecked immigration has produced nothing but negative effects to the population..." Citation please.

Extremist/nationalist parties are on the rise pretty much everywhere in Europe. Isn't it usually a good indicator that people are greatly unhappy? Granted that immigration may not be the only factor it is the favorite theme of nationalist groups.

Edit: I guess I'm being downvoted for not providing sources, my bad. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/20/world/europe/rise-of-far-r... http://wilsonquarterly.com/stories/what-explains-meteoric-ri... http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/15/far-rig...

Re: Refugees Welcome

#129

Post by not_your_daddy »

sschueller wrote: post #6

I would like to see the US step up its process to accept refugees. Currently it takes 18 to 24 months for refuges to be able to get on a plane the US. The US has agreed to accept up to 70k refugees yet at this rate it will take for ever while Germany has hundreds of new refuges per day. [1] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/us-accept-thous...

I would like to see you put a bullet in your head swiftly after deleting this cultural Marxist comment. We don't need refugees. They can rot in their own countries. They are useless subhuman animals. If you think you're such a progressive liberal hero open your own fucking home to some Muslim Africans and don't come crying to us when your wife gets gang raped. You are the indoctrined liberal moron destroying first world countries.

Re: Refugees Welcome

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Post by jbssm »

Sincerely. I'm European, I'm from Euro zone. I walk in the streets in my country's capital at night and a see dozens of homeless hungry people just by walking a couple of Km.

I just can't put my head around on why we should help the refugees before we help our own people. It just doesn't make any sense to me. We are giving millions to find houses for these refugees/migrants but we let our own live and die on the streets...

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