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Re: Bernie Sanders' 404 page

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Post by vezzy-fnord »

spoiledtechie wrote: post #66
morganvachon wrote: post #28

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He's an interesting candidate. From what I've seen he's not your typical politician, and he seems to mesh well with the current twentysomething crowd despite being from the tail end of the "Greatest Generation" himself. I don't know how much of a chance he has to win the presidency, but I can say that I like him much, much better than any other candidate (and I'm not a political kind of guy).

Are you comfortable with a socialist leading a capitalist society? I sure am not.

A social democrat leading a mixed market society is a pretty frequent state of affairs.

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Post by MrJagil »

alwaysAttending wrote: post #99
philangist wrote: post #6

I don't follow politics at all, but the more I read and hear about Bernie Sanders the more I like him. I'm sure we've got a few political experts on Hacker News so I'd love to hear if you guys think he actually has any chance of winning the presidency.

It's funny because that's a general sentiment among Sanders supporters. They like the way he sounds but don't really follow politics. The reality is his policy isn't all that good. It's just very utopian sounding so people love it. Take his Free College For all Bill. It sounds nice doesn't it? Free College for all! I can support that! But in reality it's quite flawed. Beyond the fact that it's just a new 50 billion d…

I'm wondering how this compares to countries who actually has his "utopia" implemented, to a certain degree at least. I mean, in Denmark, the government pays you $1000 a month to study college/university.

In the implementation stage they must've had similar problems to the ones you're describing. Is it a hockey-stick graph and are these obstacles just necessary for future prosperity?

Re: Bernie Sanders' 404 page

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Post by laumars »

Someone1234 wrote: post #64
r3bl wrote: post #39

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Man, it's no wonder that people like me two aren't speaking English natively get confused about that whole *'s thing.

As a natively speaker let me just confirm: English is a very inconsistent language, where rules just as often result in doing the wrong thing as they do the right. Many native speakers get the 's/'/s/ies thing wrong, as well as two/too/to, and so on. I feel bad for anyone learning this language.

The I Before E Except After C "rule" is another great example.

Obligatory QI citation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duqlZXiIZqA

Re: Bernie Sanders' 404 page

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Post by mason240 »

ceejayoz wrote: post #115
mason240 wrote: post #114

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They making fun of how the "Blame Bush" crowd immediately converted to "Thanks Obama" in 2009.

Probably not. http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/thanks-obama

Yes, I know what meme the means. They are making fun of people who use the meme as a way of defecting criticism from the President, especially in light their sudden reversal from blaming the President for everything from letting the 9/11 attacks to happen to a conspiracy to keep gas prices high to letting a hurricane make landfall in New Orleans.

Re: Bernie Sanders' 404 page

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Post by MrJagil »

mdemare wrote: post #86
philwelch wrote: post #21

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He doesn't. Not even most of the Democratic base will vote for a white male socialist in his 70's over Hillary, and he has no chance of winning the general election even if he were nominated. Even he probably knows this and is only running to make a statement.

> He has no chance of winning the general election even if he were nominated. Well, that depends who he is up against. Imagine Sanders vs. Cruz with Trump as a 3rd party candidate...

Could you unfold that statement?

Re: Bernie Sanders' 404 page

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Post by a8da6b0c91d »

Someone1234 wrote: post #105
jerf wrote: post #22

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At this phase in the run, the punditariat is greatly, greatly more confident than the facts justify. I don't mean that specific to this year... I mean generically at this phase of the campaign. If the punditariat was correct at this phase, Hillary Clinton would not currently be able to run, because she'd be finishing out her second term, having defeated Rudy Guiliani in the 2008 campaign by a small but significant ma…

Sanders and Trump are doing well for similar reasons, they've both rejected the corruption which has become so commonplace in American politics. Trump is famously self-funded, and Sanders has a great grassroots campaign which has help keep him afloat. Neither has yet really resorted to corporate bribes. That's why you're seeing them do so well with their own respective bases. While it is undeniable that the general p…

Trump has no extreme positions that I've heard. Totally mainstream populist.

People are downvoting me, but if you don't realize that any policy comments Trump has put forth poll great you are just out of touch. You would be by definition "extreme."

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Post by radiorental »

Someone1234 wrote: post #105
jerf wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this phase in the run, the punditariat is greatly, greatly more confident than the facts justify. I don't mean that specific to this year... I mean generically at this phase of the campaign. If the punditariat was correct at this phase, Hillary Clinton would not currently be able to run, because she'd be finishing out her second term, having defeated Rudy Guiliani in the 2008 campaign by a small but significant ma…

Sanders and Trump are doing well for similar reasons, they've both rejected the corruption which has become so commonplace in American politics. Trump is famously self-funded, and Sanders has a great grassroots campaign which has help keep him afloat. Neither has yet really resorted to corporate bribes. That's why you're seeing them do so well with their own respective bases. While it is undeniable that the general p…

Valid points, interested to hear what you make of the perspective that Sanders commands decent support from blue collar conservatives in VT?

His message/views appear to speak to a broader base than simply Team Blue fans.

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Post by jules »

oluwie wrote: post #120
hyperbovine wrote: post #106

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He favors European style social democracy. His whole point is that there actually exist functioning countries where health care is universal and free, college is accessible to all, gay people have rights, etc etc., and that America could be one of those countries if we wanted to. Btw I learned this by spending five minutes last night reading about him and watching a short interview, so I think your comment gives him…

The problem with the U.S. and why universal health care potentially wouldn't work is in terms of scale. The U.S. has over 300M people living in it, over 8x as much as the most populous European country. We also have a history of hating and evading taxes at all costs (Boston Tea Party). I'm not saying it can't work but the economics gets truly tricky when you're dealing with a country that big.

What does size have to do with it? If anything, size should be beneficial because of economies of scale.

Re: Bernie Sanders' 404 page

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Post by jerf »

marktd wrote: post #75
jerf wrote: post #22

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At this phase in the run, the punditariat is greatly, greatly more confident than the facts justify. I don't mean that specific to this year... I mean generically at this phase of the campaign. If the punditariat was correct at this phase, Hillary Clinton would not currently be able to run, because she'd be finishing out her second term, having defeated Rudy Guiliani in the 2008 campaign by a small but significant ma…

In 2000, both Gore and Bush were always the frontrunners, and then they both won the primaries in landslides. I believe they both won every state, except Bush lost New Hampshire to McCain. Also in 2008, you're exaggerating the extent to which the punditry favored Giuliani; he was a frontrunner, but not at all considered a shoo-in the way Hillary is. The problem with Bernie is that he has very limited appeal outside o…

"the punditry favored Giuliani; he was a frontrunner, but not at all considered a shoo-in the way Hillary is."

That is all I was claiming. Hillary is an unusual case; I've not seen this level of "shoo-in" before.

Also, just to be clear, I'm not making grandiose claims that I know something about the race, nor am I claiming that this is somehow identical to previous situations [1]... it's more that I know that something isn't true: The punditariat is wildly overconfident, and their current confidence in their beliefs is wrong. Even if they are ultimately correct, they're still overconfident right now. The echo chamber does that.

[1]: It never really is, and there's a certain amount of anti-inductiveness to similar situations in politics: http://lesswrong.com/lw/yv/markets_are_antiinductive/ If you see a similarity that favors X, in general, so do X's opponents, and they're likely to do something that will, as a side effect, break the similarity somehow.

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