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Re: Amazon Sign Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James May

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Post by foldr » Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 3:22 PM UTC

avereveard wrote: post #105

foldr wrote: post #94

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>I've yet to hear an actual propf of him being openely racist http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9247835/J...

oh because it's fine and dandy if you call it 'profiling' suddenly one point out what other airport are doing calling it by its name and he's racist.

Clarkson acknowledges that racial profiling at airports is racist, and says that we should do it anyway. If that isn't advocating racism, then what is? You are defending the indefensible at this point:

> ...the only possible solution is to introduce a bit of racism. Nobody likes a racist. Nobody likes prejudice. It has no place at work, at play, or in government. But at Heathrow airport? Hmmm.

By the way, you are mistaken if you think that a large number of other airports systematically engage in racial profiling as a matter of policy.

Re: Amazon Sign Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James May

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Post by talmand » Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 5:16 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #108

talmand wrote: post #72

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I've fought this battle for a long time. It seems for most it's just a way to speak of their grievances against a company they don't like. It's just pointing their finger at the company saying they obviously are an evil corporation because they choose to take advantage of stupidly written tax laws that are totally legal yet I choose to define them as something only bad people do. Despite the fact they likely use simi…

I can't use similar loopholes. Imagine an English person running an English business (eg, a tea shop with a single store and no online presence) in England. They want to advertise to people so they contact Google's English ad division and buy ads to be shown in England. They pay using English money, from their English bank account to Google's English bank account. Somehow this doesn't count for English tax, somehow i…

If it's covered by law and you qualify, you most certainly can use similar loopholes. That's the thing, many times what people call "loopholes" are actually badly written tax laws. Sometimes it is by mistake, sometimes it is intentional for potentially nefarious reasons. But if you qualify, you can do it.

Otherwise, there are similar "loopholes" in complex tax codes. You just need to find them.

Re: Amazon Sign Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James May

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Post by DanBC » Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 7:50 PM UTC

talmand wrote: post #112

DanBC wrote: post #108

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I can't use similar loopholes. Imagine an English person running an English business (eg, a tea shop with a single store and no online presence) in England. They want to advertise to people so they contact Google's English ad division and buy ads to be shown in England. They pay using English money, from their English bank account to Google's English bank account. Somehow this doesn't count for English tax, somehow i…

If it's covered by law and you qualify, you most certainly can use similar loopholes. That's the thing, many times what people call "loopholes" are actually badly written tax laws. Sometimes it is by mistake, sometimes it is intentional for potentially nefarious reasons. But if you qualify, you can do it. Otherwise, there are similar "loopholes" in complex tax codes. You just need to find them.

You're treating it as binary - compliant or not compliant. But laws are tested in court. These companies claim to be compliant, but we don't know because UK tax authorities avoid court for all bit the most flamboyant evaders. No case law means we don't know if they're complying with law or not.

Re: Amazon Sign Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James May

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Post by LoSboccacc » Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 9:00 PM UTC

foldr wrote: post #111

avereveard wrote: post #105

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oh because it's fine and dandy if you call it 'profiling' suddenly one point out what other airport are doing calling it by its name and he's racist.

Clarkson acknowledges that racial profiling at airports is racist, and says that we should do it anyway. If that isn't advocating racism, then what is? You are defending the indefensible at this point: > ...the only possible solution is to introduce a bit of racism. Nobody likes a racist. Nobody likes prejudice. It has no place at work, at play, or in government. But at Heathrow airport? Hmmm. By the way, you are mis…

just because TSA doesn't collect data doesn't mean it hasn't been all over the news for being stricter in searching people of particular ethnicity

moreover if the main smoking gun is a quote by Clarkson himself I'm not really impressed, I mean, what Clarkson DID matters. He's a comedian and you hear far worse things coming out; I mean Colbert said far worse thing and I don't see people screaming and kicking at his door.

at the end of the day one has to distinguish what's fiction and what's reality. can you blame Clarkson for being in character on it's own satirical column? it's not like it happened in an interview.

Re: Amazon Sign Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James May

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Post by foldr » Sat, Aug 01, 2015, 1:03 AM UTC

LoSboccacc wrote: post #114

foldr wrote: post #111

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Clarkson acknowledges that racial profiling at airports is racist, and says that we should do it anyway. If that isn't advocating racism, then what is? You are defending the indefensible at this point: > ...the only possible solution is to introduce a bit of racism. Nobody likes a racist. Nobody likes prejudice. It has no place at work, at play, or in government. But at Heathrow airport? Hmmm. By the way, you are mis…

just because TSA doesn't collect data doesn't mean it hasn't been all over the news for being stricter in searching people of particular ethnicity moreover if the main smoking gun is a quote by Clarkson himself I'm not really impressed, I mean, what Clarkson DID matters. He's a comedian and you hear far worse things coming out; I mean Colbert said far worse thing and I don't see people screaming and kicking at his do…

> it hasn't been all over the news for being stricter in searching people of particular ethnicity

This is not the policy of the TSA. The only people who advocate such a policy are racists like Clarkson.

>can you blame Clarkson for being in character on it's own satirical column?

It's not a satirical column. If you think that Clarkson is doing a Colbert-like performance, you've just got the wrong end of the stick.

>moreover if the main smoking gun is a quote by Clarkson himself I'm not really impressed,

What kind of backwards logic is this? Clarkson's own words are (obviously) the most reliable source of information regarding his beliefs.