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Hackers Remotely Attack a Jeep on the Highway

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Re: Hackers Remotely Attack a Jeep on the Highway

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Post by daveloyall »

Someone1234 wrote: post #107
daveloyall wrote: post #82

So, a HN commentator apparently called the cops on these guys after reading the Wired article. Several commentators more or less agree, arguing that performing these tests on the I-40 was criminally negligent. Stop right there. Grow some balls. These guys are elite, their demo was badass, and I've done stupider things on I-40 for no reason . And wtf you called the cops? head in hand

> These guys are elite, their demo was badass, and I've done stupider things on I-40 for no reason. "Elite," seriously? Is it 1995? Is the movie "Hackers" some type of inspiration to you? I'm almost surprised you didn't go all l33t speak. They endangered people's lives. It is as simple as that. If you too endanger people's lives "for no reason" on I-40 I hope they get you too.

They demonstrated that hackers can take lives using a laptop and a cell phone. And they displayed their own picture on the dashboard screen while doing it.

Yes, elite. I'm not bringing it back; they already did.

Re: Hackers Remotely Attack a Jeep on the Highway

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Post by warmwaffles »

tombrossman wrote: post #12

Some questions for the researchers, or anyone else who thinks this was okay: 1) Were public roadways and speeds of 70mph absolutely necessary to demo this? 2) What was the plan if the trucker approaching at 70mph hadn't seen the Jeep stalled early and had to swerve or panic stop, possibly crashing and injuring themselves or others? 3) Anyone notify the Missouri State Highway Patrol about this? They may be contacting…

Nice job victim blaming.

Re: Hackers Remotely Attack a Jeep on the Highway

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Post by Miner49er »

tombrossman wrote: post #12

Some questions for the researchers, or anyone else who thinks this was okay: 1) Were public roadways and speeds of 70mph absolutely necessary to demo this? 2) What was the plan if the trucker approaching at 70mph hadn't seen the Jeep stalled early and had to swerve or panic stop, possibly crashing and injuring themselves or others? 3) Anyone notify the Missouri State Highway Patrol about this? They may be contacting…

I agree that they definitely took it too far and weren't being very safe, but calling the cops seems to be taking it a little too far, also. What laws were broken?

Edit: Actually I've thought it about it, and they could probably be charged with reckless endangerment.

Re: Hackers Remotely Attack a Jeep on the Highway

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Post by brandon272 »

stevendhansen wrote: post #95
tombrossman wrote: post #12

Some questions for the researchers, or anyone else who thinks this was okay: 1) Were public roadways and speeds of 70mph absolutely necessary to demo this? 2) What was the plan if the trucker approaching at 70mph hadn't seen the Jeep stalled early and had to swerve or panic stop, possibly crashing and injuring themselves or others? 3) Anyone notify the Missouri State Highway Patrol about this? They may be contacting…

Calling the police on security researchers...I honestly cannot believe this is considered acceptable behavior. A much less aggressive (and thoughtful) move would be to contact the researchers directly. Wow. Back to the article, I think that this type of exploit will become more and more common as vehicles become more connected and automated. We need to know that we can trust the software and firmware running on the d…

> Calling the police on security researchers...I honestly cannot believe this is considered acceptable behavior. A much less aggressive (and thoughtful) move would be to contact the researchers directly. Wow.

Reminds me of people who will call the police on a loud neighbor instead of just, you know, talking to them first.

Re: Hackers Remotely Attack a Jeep on the Highway

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Post by mc32 »

spacehome wrote: post #91
jamespo wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until you're a victim of a crime I presume

I'm not sure how this would make calgoo change his mind. * Cops are under no obligation to go into harms way to protect the public. * Cops primarily exist to collect evidence for prosecution after the fact. * Just because criminals and crimes exist doesn't take away from cops' bad behavior. * If calgoo becomes the victim of a crime, cops are unlikely to be able to make him whole again - for bodily injury, prosecution…

There are problems with power and corruption.... But

Have you seen what happens to communities when police withdraw? They become overrun by gangs and other less accountable organizations.

Even favelas where cops act paramilitarily, say in Caracas, people still want cops because no cops is usually worse, unless you get a private version of cops, which is essentially cops by another name.

Re: Hackers Remotely Attack a Jeep on the Highway

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Post by vvanders »

KeytarHero wrote: post #88
userbinator wrote: post #74

All of this is possible only because Chrysler, like practically all carmakers, is doing its best to turn the modern automobile into a smartphone. I think this is the biggest problem. Stop making "smart" cars with all these unnecessary features. Even if you can't resist adding entertainment or navigation, don't ever physically connect those systems to the critical systems like engine and transmission computers except…

It amazes me that while more and more jurisdictions are banning cell phone use while driving, vehicle makers are increasingly resorting to touch screens for things like stereo and climate control. When using a smartphone while driving is illegal, how are in-vehicle touch screen controls meant to be operated by the driver not banned? As much as I love Tesla and what they are trying to do to the car industry, they are…

All the controls on the Tesla are 1.5" or larger which makes them easy to use out of your FoV while keeping your eyes on the road. Cellphones are a much smaller surface area and require a lot more focus.

Re: Hackers Remotely Attack a Jeep on the Highway

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Post by TorKlingberg »

tombrossman wrote: post #12

Some questions for the researchers, or anyone else who thinks this was okay: 1) Were public roadways and speeds of 70mph absolutely necessary to demo this? 2) What was the plan if the trucker approaching at 70mph hadn't seen the Jeep stalled early and had to swerve or panic stop, possibly crashing and injuring themselves or others? 3) Anyone notify the Missouri State Highway Patrol about this? They may be contacting…

This is the kind of completely uninteresting side discussion that people on internet forums love to get into. "Somebody did something dangerous on a road" is not a relevant topic on HN.

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Post by Zikes »

feld wrote: post #56
tombrossman wrote: post #12

Some questions for the researchers, or anyone else who thinks this was okay: 1) Were public roadways and speeds of 70mph absolutely necessary to demo this? 2) What was the plan if the trucker approaching at 70mph hadn't seen the Jeep stalled early and had to swerve or panic stop, possibly crashing and injuring themselves or others? 3) Anyone notify the Missouri State Highway Patrol about this? They may be contacting…

You better have the Highway Patrol investigate every single person who doesn't maintain their car properly and takes it on the highway because they're causing far more risk than this demo came close to creating, IMHO. Was it a stunt? Yes. Was it life threatening? Hardly. The real risk is the early 90s Civic with a torn up clutch and bald tires swerving between lanes.

> Was it life threatening? Hardly.

Danger Checklist:

✔ 70mph

✔ Public highway

✔ Driver not in control

Re: Hackers Remotely Attack a Jeep on the Highway

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Post by sfafdsdf »

maxerickson wrote: post #80
hughw wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN is chock full of self-righteous hall monitors. They usually don't progress to the point of calling the cops.

Can you expand a little on how calling the police about something is more or less self righteous than doing the (at least somewhat dangerous) experiment on a public highway?

It's interesting how you view this issue. If the researchers are more self-righteous than the person calling in, it justifies the latter?
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