This post regarding the apology is fairly new, with a lot of points and comments. Yet it has already sunk to page 2. I assume that reddit-related posts are given a negative weighting of some kind on HN, of late?
We apologize
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Re: We apologize
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't you think you're being a bit premature in your assessment of Pao? She's an interim CEO who's been on the job mere months. Shutting down the subreddits she did needed to happen in order for reddit to be viable long-term. This latest issue is just about disaffected male teenagers looking for a reason to get mad at the new female CEO. It's so transparent and so pathetic.
I'm curious about something - do you feel like the obvious bigotry in your statement is justified? It's almost entirely unlikely that you have any real demographic information about the people you are slagging, never mind any actual knowledge of people's reasoning, so from my POV, your statement is borne of pure prejudice. Care to convince me otherwise?
You have no idea what bigotry is. It's possible to criticize the actions of a group of people without being prejudiced and my assessment is based on actual posts and comments that I've read over the past week. Seeing what kinds of content is upvoted gives you a sense of the overall sentiment and it's hard to rationalize the vitriol of the user base in response to this particular event.
Also, reddit's age and gender demographics are not hard to find: http://thepowertoprovoke.com/the-blog/2014/02/reddit-demogra...
Re: We apologize
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm curious about something - do you feel like the obvious bigotry in your statement is justified? It's almost entirely unlikely that you have any real demographic information about the people you are slagging, never mind any actual knowledge of people's reasoning, so from my POV, your statement is borne of pure prejudice. Care to convince me otherwise?
You have no idea what bigotry is. It's possible to criticize the actions of a group of people without being prejudiced and my assessment is based on actual posts and comments that I've read over the past week. Seeing what kinds of content is upvoted gives you a sense of the overall sentiment and it's hard to rationalize the vitriol of the user base in response to this particular event. Also, reddit's age and gender d…
Interesting opening sentence in your reply. I didn't bother reading past it since starting with an insult like that is as good an excuse to ignore your thoughts as I need. Thanks for making it easy!
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
You could say the same about Twitter's hosting individuals who espouse toxic views. I believe that Reddit essentially wants to be a Twitter for communities (as opposed to individuals), in that they aren't interested in guiding the moral ethos of its userbase (beyond removing illegal or harassing content). So, honest question, would you apply your criticism to Twitter? (and if not, why not?)
I don't use Twitter, so I have no idea. But each company, despite their freewheeling public images, has a right to dictate how their services are used. If that means adopting a stronger stance on these toxic elements in order to improve their user experience (and attractiveness to advertisers), it's probably best to do it. Reddit is not beholden to to their users to the degree that those users probably believe. Nor a…
> Reddit is not beholden to to their users to the degree that those users probably believe.
It's cliché at this point, but I'll say it anyway: Tell that to Digg
Re: We apologize
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm curious about something - do you feel like the obvious bigotry in your statement is justified? It's almost entirely unlikely that you have any real demographic information about the people you are slagging, never mind any actual knowledge of people's reasoning, so from my POV, your statement is borne of pure prejudice. Care to convince me otherwise?
You have no idea what bigotry is. It's possible to criticize the actions of a group of people without being prejudiced and my assessment is based on actual posts and comments that I've read over the past week. Seeing what kinds of content is upvoted gives you a sense of the overall sentiment and it's hard to rationalize the vitriol of the user base in response to this particular event. Also, reddit's age and gender d…
I actually think he has a much firmer idea of what bigotry is than you do. I'm actually astounded that you would flaunt your ignorance of the word.
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#116I like Reddit, a lot, but the community is shit. I read this apology and then Ellen's reply and that has negative 55 hundred votes. They have no real reason to dislike her. They have no real reason to be mad at the one woman being fired. They're just coming off as a bunch of upset kids with some "authority" in the form of votes or moderation. As a casual user I have no need to dislike Ellen or feel slighted by the wo…
One look at the completely irrelevant second sentence of the petition to remove her [1] should tell you everything to know about why users are actually angry at her. This outcry would've been minor if reddit had a male CEO without the failed lawsuit in the rear view mirror. Reddit has harbored toxic subreddits for long enough that they've nurtured a huge user base of racists and misogynists. It's a demographic crisis…
Uh...no?
Re: We apologize
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Victoria being let off ruined a lot of currently planned AMA's - because she played such a huge part in it all. It's like firing the person who wrote a language your company uses internally with little to no documentation: absolutely everything is going to go to hell until someone comes in, learns what and how things were done, and can replace that person. With no word as to why she left or was fired - it screams som…
To me it seems clear that they've decided to dislike Ellen ( they have sub dedicated to portraying her as Hitler, for fucks sake). So whenever her administration makes a mistake their reaction is going to be bloody murder. Yeah firing the woman without a backup plan for the scheduled AMAs or whatever else was going on was a mistake. But what does someone have to do in order to be fired in that manor? Are we to assume…
>they have sub dedicated to portraying her as Hitler, for fucks sake
Hadn't seen that one. /r/PaoYongYang is good for a few chuckles though.
>But what does someone have to do in order to be fired in that manor?
Casting aspersions as to the character of /u/chooter AKA Queen Victoria is risky, and also not in particularly good taste.
>Are we to assume that Reddit didn't understand the woman's daily duties and what affect her immediate/un-planned absence from the company would be?
I've seen corporate types make what appear to be uninformed decisions which turned out to be unwise.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
You could say the same about Twitter's hosting individuals who espouse toxic views. I believe that Reddit essentially wants to be a Twitter for communities (as opposed to individuals), in that they aren't interested in guiding the moral ethos of its userbase (beyond removing illegal or harassing content). So, honest question, would you apply your criticism to Twitter? (and if not, why not?)
I don't use Twitter, so I have no idea. But each company, despite their freewheeling public images, has a right to dictate how their services are used. If that means adopting a stronger stance on these toxic elements in order to improve their user experience (and attractiveness to advertisers), it's probably best to do it. Reddit is not beholden to to their users to the degree that those users probably believe. Nor a…
> Reddit is not beholden to to their users to the degree that those users probably believe. Nor are they beholden to some imagined ethos about being a place where all speech is protected.
And yet, when those non-"beholding" users revolted, Pao apologizes to them, instead of continuing to ignore them.
> imagined ethos about being a place where all speech is protected.
"imagined" by... the Reddit administrators.
"reddit is a pretty open platform and free speech place, but there are a few rules"
Re: We apologize
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
One look at the completely irrelevant second sentence of the petition to remove her [1] should tell you everything to know about why users are actually angry at her. This outcry would've been minor if reddit had a male CEO without the failed lawsuit in the rear view mirror. Reddit has harbored toxic subreddits for long enough that they've nurtured a huge user base of racists and misogynists. It's a demographic crisis…
I disagree that it's all because she's a woman. Just read her statement here. http://www.thesocialmemo.org/2015/07/reddit-ceo-ellen-pao-va... She has no clue that the "vocal minority" is the one that creates the content that the majority consumes. She comes across as aloof, as if she's just playing out the role of the CEO without really understanding the soul of Reddit. Of course, the vitriol poured out by some of th…
In the comment thread of the OP, she clarifies the "vocal minority" as referring to the people obsessed with her.
> I assume you’re referring to the NYT quote. I want to clarify the quote's context. The reporter asked about the people who are posting and commenting really negatively about me, not about the mods and content creators. That's what I was referring to when I talked about them being a vocal minority. I do understand that the site is built on the content and voting, and I know that we and the community owe a lot to our mods and core users. —/u/ekjp, https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3cbo4m/we_ap...
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's the price that's paid to have a site that encourages anonymity. You can't deny that there are benefits to said anonymity at the same time though.
I don't think so. I don't see this kind of behaviour widely upvoted in HN or in Lobsters, and we're no less anonymous here or there.
HN moderation is design in a way that forces very slow growth, which controls the content of new posters/posts.
You can't get to an X-million posting community with that style.
FWIW, Slashdot comments sit between HN and Reddit.
Also, HN intentionally avoids most controversial kinds of top-level post content that Reddit explicitly encourages in subreddits.