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Re: Who'll be the next president – Google Search

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Tue, Jun 23, 2015, 1:34 PM UTC

joelrunyon wrote: post #3

Another unintended consequence of Google doing the things that Google recommends you don't do (in this case, scraping sites). Can we talk about how terrible a piece of pro-hillary propaganda that was? Namely this: > America is ready for the leadership of a Hillary Clinton. A new history will be made when she becomes the leader of the free world. The world of women everywhere will change Sure, this sounds very reminis…

Yes, of course people believe this sort of thing. And yes, this is indeed why we cannot have nice things.

Before you down vote because you think I'm anti-H.C., I'm not. Nor am I pro-H.C. I've not made up my mind yet.

Re: Who'll be the next president – Google Search

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Post by JustSomeNobody » Tue, Jun 23, 2015, 1:37 PM UTC

visakanv wrote: post #6

joelrunyon wrote: post #3

Another unintended consequence of Google doing the things that Google recommends you don't do (in this case, scraping sites). Can we talk about how terrible a piece of pro-hillary propaganda that was? Namely this: > America is ready for the leadership of a Hillary Clinton. A new history will be made when she becomes the leader of the free world. The world of women everywhere will change Sure, this sounds very reminis…

> Do people really think like this? All you have to do is "pay your dues" and you "deserve" it instead of voting on issues, track record & potential to make real change? Yes. Source: Click around the Facebook comments of any substantially large digital publication. Tonnes of people don't even vote. Of those that do, most vote for the parties they're already loyal to. Of the few that are in the middle, most decide acc…

It's very sad that people only vote their party. People need to learn to cross the line when it makes sense to. We are nearly perfectly split down the middle. This is a weak position to be in.

Re: Who'll be the next president – Google Search

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Post by laumars » Tue, Jun 23, 2015, 1:38 PM UTC

laumars wrote: post #54

HarrietJones wrote: post #32

Two Points. Google answers questions, it sometimes gets those questions wrong, but it's getting better. I'm not that worried about the odd wrong answer because that's a consequence of fledgling deep learning software. Things will get better. Of course, some idiot's going to listen to Google one time, and do something disastrous with the "advice" and then they might have to tone it down a bit, but I for one welcome ou…

I'd rather see the media banned from telling people who to vote for than see a ban on all polling. But something like that would be impossible to enforce given all publications / news networks have a political bias.

Why was this downvoted? A counter argument would be appreciated please.

Re: Who'll be the next president – Google Search

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jun 23, 2015, 1:39 PM UTC

rayiner wrote: post #72

MrDosu wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, in my country multi party systems basically work like this: Unresolved issue comes up, party forms specializing in said issue, if party gets support big parties integrate unresolved issue, issue is now resolved. And you got it completely around! In america your mom gets the government she is been told to want. That is why you have a two party system. Barrier to entry is "spent multi hundred millions on media co…

My mom didn't grow up here, and she doesn't speak English as a first language so she barely consumes U.S. media. The idea that her viewpoints are the result of media indoctrination is ridiculous. The area that the media hammers hardest (foreign policy) is the one area where she disagrees with the government, and she opposes things the media is broadly in favor of (gay marriage, decriminalized marijuana).

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Re: Who'll be the next president – Google Search

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jun 23, 2015, 1:40 PM UTC

briandear wrote: post #69

gerty wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does read like an ode before a coronation. Though a poorly written one. Anything but Clinton/Bush. Sanders perhaps.

Sanders? An admitted Socialist? How about Rand Paul? Someone that has actually fought on the right side of issues important to the HN community. Sanders actually supports an 80% tax rate. If you want an economy that resembles Romania in the 1980s, vote for Sanders. If you want freedom, vote Rand Paul. Democrat values are inconsistent with entrepreneurial. They want to disincentivize success with higher taxes and they…

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Re: Who'll be the next president – Google Search

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Post by clarky07 » Tue, Jun 23, 2015, 1:42 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #102

MrDosu wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah and it's also the only country in the world where those elections lead to the same couple of families winning every time...

Hyperbole much? Out of fifty-something Presidential elections under the Constitution, there have been two close family members of a past President elected, the families involved winning a total of five elections. That's not the same couple of families winning every time.

3 times. Adams, Bush, Harrison. Point remains.

Re: Who'll be the next president – Google Search

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Post by veidr » Tue, Jun 23, 2015, 1:44 PM UTC

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #92

veidr wrote: post #77

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No, as opposed to most political candidates who have historically been taken seriously as candidates for the presidency. Obama was (and is) an outlier.

It's worth noting that Obama himself was not originally planning to run in 2008 due to lack of experience in public office. Tom Daschle is responsible for pushing him to run precisely because he had no track record on hot topic issues that weakened the competition.

Yeah, I totally agree that is worth noting -- I think until Obama beat Clinton in some of the early contests, the conventional wisdom from virtually everybody (who follows politics) was that it was just too early for him to go for the big prize.

But I am curious whether that will hold -- whether candidates like Obama will remain outliers -- or whether that kind of thing will become the new normal.

Our political system is somewhat sick; having any record is a political liability. That is why our politicians almost all speak in tongues incomprehensible to any normal human being.

But the people favoring the established/experienced candidates are mainly the ones engaged and participating in the system which (perhaps insanely) doesn't include 98% of voters.

So I wouldn't be that surprised if candidates with very limited experience in government become more common.

Re: Who'll be the next president – Google Search

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Post by mladenkovacevic » Tue, Jun 23, 2015, 1:46 PM UTC

In a couple of years we'll be hearing from digital marketers who worked on Hilary's campaign about how they "hacked Google results" that one time. That's only if she wins, though. If she doesn't we'll never speak of this again.

Re: Who'll be the next president – Google Search

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Post by Avshalom » Tue, Jun 23, 2015, 1:50 PM UTC

briandear wrote: post #69

gerty wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does read like an ode before a coronation. Though a poorly written one. Anything but Clinton/Bush. Sanders perhaps.

Sanders? An admitted Socialist? How about Rand Paul? Someone that has actually fought on the right side of issues important to the HN community. Sanders actually supports an 80% tax rate. If you want an economy that resembles Romania in the 1980s, vote for Sanders. If you want freedom, vote Rand Paul. Democrat values are inconsistent with entrepreneurial. They want to disincentivize success with higher taxes and they…

>This instinctive anti-Reublicann sentiment is depressing because it seems like the Democrat marketing machine has done a good job obfuscating the issues.

Actually it was the Republican marketing machine's "southern strategy" that started that. When you decide to explicitly become the-party-that-appeals-to-racists it takes a really really long time to dig yourself out of that hole. Especially because right now is when the people that grew up with those messages are in/coming-to power.

They also co-opt the previously fairly moderate evangelical crowd with red-scare tactics around the same time.

Re: Who'll be the next president – Google Search

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Post by ionised » Tue, Jun 23, 2015, 1:50 PM UTC

happyscrappy wrote: post #78

vixen99 wrote: post #33

300 million people and (as is all too possible) another Clinton, another Bush? Someone should do justice to the sickness this demonstrates. Good example for Kim in N. Korea.

It is kind of humorous how people can't see past their hate of America. Meanwhile weed is being legalized here, is it legal where you are?

While I am pro-legalisation, it's not among the most important issues.