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Nice to see that Chris (Lattner) got his way. I chatted with him last WWDC right after the main Swift technical session, and he expressed the desire to open source it, but had no idea if he could get it through the powers that be. Supporting the standard libraries on Linux is certainly a surprise, though.
Tim Cook didn't seem as enthousiast with announcing the open-sourcing compared to other announcements
Aside from graphics/GUI programming; there is little advantage to Objective C or Swift. The "language" may be "open sourced"; but will the important Cocoa implementations be open sourced? It shouldn't be to too tough to re-implement Swift; unless Apples starting suing people for doing it. The exact meaning of Apples announcement needs some clarification.
Cocoa won't be made Free, no, but perhaps Swift could be used with GnuStep's implementation of the libraries.
It's better to not re-invent the wheel.
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Open Source wins! Seriously can't tell you the fights just 8 years ago in conventions with hundreds of librarians where most of them thought Free Software was the devil and hackers all had the key to destroying anything Open Sourced. So can we finally say that Hell has Frozen Over? Microsoft Open Sources Parts of Visual Studio and releases Linux Software. Apple open sourced their language and it will work on Linux.
Open Source did not win. In fact it destroyed a lot of potential markets. With this move Apple is dragging more and more developers that would be interested in Go/ Java (aka Android world) to its net. This is a win for Apple only.
We don't hear a lot about the sunshine or oxygen markets.
Aside from graphics/GUI programming; there is little advantage to Objective C or Swift. The "language" may be "open sourced"; but will the important Cocoa implementations be open sourced? It shouldn't be to too tough to re-implement Swift; unless Apples starting suing people for doing it. The exact meaning of Apples announcement needs some clarification.
Microsoft open sourced .NET and I don't see queues of people willing to use .NET just because it's open source.
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Yeah, but calling it in the keynote is a pretty hard thing to back off from. I don't think they will. Hopefully it'll stay on schedule though!
The same was said about FaceTime... http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/facetime-open-standard-... Sadly, this never came to fruition, supposedly due to legal complications. Since they own Swift, and the underlying compiler infrastructure this may be simpler to pull off.
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Yeah, but calling it in the keynote is a pretty hard thing to back off from. I don't think they will. Hopefully it'll stay on schedule though!
The same was said about FaceTime... http://www.fiercedeveloper.com/story/facetime-open-standard-... Sadly, this never came to fruition, supposedly due to legal complications. Since they own Swift, and the underlying compiler infrastructure this may be simpler to pull off.
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Aside from graphics/GUI programming; there is little advantage to Objective C or Swift. The "language" may be "open sourced"; but will the important Cocoa implementations be open sourced? It shouldn't be to too tough to re-implement Swift; unless Apples starting suing people for doing it. The exact meaning of Apples announcement needs some clarification.
The language itself is lovely. What parts of cocoa feel essential to you?
I'd love a portable GUI API that satisfies some harsh conditions: 1) Portable between mac,linux,windows,android,ios. [ must re-compile to target ] 2) Compilable into a single static binary. 3) New developments don't break backwards compatibility.
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They said it will happen by the end of 2015.
Which is still not "pulling it off", which is my point.
> Swift will be open source later this year, available for iOS, OS X, and Linux. They're doing Linux but not Windows? Is Windows not sufficiently important or maybe they just forgot to include Windows in the announcement?
Swift won't bring much anyway.