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Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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I'm surprised by how early it'll be released, but excited about it nonetheless.

The only reason I haven't installed the tech preview and used it as my sole OS (on my gaming PC) is because I don't want to have to reinstall 8.1 in order to upgrade back to 10 once it launches.

I survived Windows 95, I can deal with BSODs and wonky features. I just want the latest. And Windows Hello, because Jarvis.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Do we know what "free for the first year" means yet? What about the second year? I've been running Ubuntu for personal use for about a year now. I miss steam so I might jump onto Windows 10, but not if I only find out the price after I jump in

(No relation to Microsoft, just a general observation) As far as we know, Microsoft has not categorically denied that they will create another operating system in the future. It'd be terribly stupid for them to do so.

The free for the first year has caveats but there is no scenario where we are discussing Microsoft making you pay for essential updates in the second year. In fact, while I am not a Microsoft fan I will stick my neck out and say that it is extremely unlikely that you will have to pay for updates in consumer SKU's of Microsoft Windows for the next six years. Seven years is typically the regularly advertised end of life and end of mainline support for previous versions of Microsoft Windows.

The first major caveat is that this is for existing Windows users. This offer only applies for people who currently on qualifying versions of Microsoft Windows today. If your computer came with a genuine copy of Microsoft Windows 7 or above, it is in Microsoft's best interest that you get on board with the latest version of Windows.

The second major caveat is that this is specifically not for organizations. Enterprise cash cows will remain cash cows.

I'd urge you to be skeptical and not infer any promises Microsoft has not specifically made. However, if anyone has been telling you that Microsoft will make you pay for security updates or Windows in general beginning the second year are at best incorrect and at worst maliciously spreading FUD. Of course, Microsoft isn't helping because there are so many details we don't know yet such as when is the end of life for Windows 10 (assuming I accept all updates)? There is a lot of things we don't know. However, we can say with a lot of confidence that you will not have to pay a subscription the second year of moving to Windows 10.

For what it is worth, I intend to update to Windows 10 on my personal computer as soon as possible. I also intend to stay on the fast lane of updates (more updates more often but possibly some buggy updates) once I get on Windows 10.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Hmm I had the exact opposite experience. It seemed to work pretty flawlessly for me. What type of issues did you experience?

Several BSODs, glitches with the virtual desktops, inconsistent fonts and layouts, multiple application (explorer) crashes, wifi connectivity problems, failures returning from sleep and standby, dozens of UI inconsistencies.

Windows 8 had tons of UI inconsistencies. You would move from a metro style control panel to an old, non-resizable grey winform with tabs. Windows 10 didn't really improve or worsen that.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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I have been running the technical previews since the very start and I have to say I am quite surprised at the July 29th release date. Even today's builds are riddled with problems. They have a lot of work to do if they really think it will be consumer ready by the end of July.

Will Win10 ship with an optional Win7 theme? The "AeroGlass" theme was beautiful and my hardware is fast enough - sure some low end mobile hardware can't handle it. Will Win10 RTM still requires a Microsoft Outlook/Live/Passport/Hotmail-Account? The non-obvious small almost hidden "offline" profile option during Windows install wizard is not okay. It should be an equal option. And for OneDrive and Cortana there shoul…

> Will Win10 RTM still requires a Microsoft Outlook/Live/Passport/Hotmail-Account? The non-obvious small almost hidden "offline" profile option during Windows install wizard is not okay. It should be an equal option.

It almost certainly will not. Even in Windows 8.1, I have had to disconnect from the Internet before creating the first user so Microsoft wouldn't fuss about it.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Can you reliably turn off web search from the start menu, and one drive integration, yet?

I have that on Ubuntu and it annoys the hell out of me. No I don't want to wait 0.5 seconds for a search result about Firefox just to open a browser!

it's also leaking everything you do, every program you launch.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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"today's builds" arn't todays. They're months behind what MS are developing.

Is it really months? I thought it's more like few weeks max. Do you have any source for that statement?

Leaked internal builds are our best clues. Those leaked builds are not nightly builds either (there is some QA before it gets there) and then there is some informed speculation because we didn't get any updates for weeks on end.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Just to clarify. MS said users of win 7 & 8 will be able to upgrade for free to win 10 within a year. I believe I read somewhere that this will be MS's last release #. It will be a rolling release from here on out. I have not seen details on how they monetize that unless they switch to Apple's HW model.

Microsoft has stated that most of the money they make from Windows is from selling licenses to hardware partners. Of course, they are also starting to move into an Apple-like hardware model (though of course they still allow third parties to make hardware).

I don't see the Hardware Model at all.

I think they are just wanting as many people as possible to switch to Windows 10 as fast as possible. They are doing this by giving it away for free.

After the year Windows will be monotonized the same way. As someone that always builds his own comoputers I jumped on the $29.99 Windows 7 deal which they offered the first 6 months and $39.99 for Windows 8 which was good for the first three months (Off the top of my head not needed to be accurate for arguement sake)

It's free for a year to upgrade and than back to business as usual.

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