No one of you Frenchs using HN has traslated the article to English yet? This does not help!
French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)
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#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
"False Flag" is quite an assertion to be making. Do you have proof..?
Not the person you're replying to but I'll answer anyway. The theory that the Charlie Hebdo attacks was a false flag attack was raised by Paul Craig Roberts of the Reagan administration.[1] I find it a pretty incredible claim, but it's coming from a somewhat credible source regardless. Coupled with the fact that we do know false flag operations have been used and planned for use in the past, it's not hard to see why…
The point raised in your link about "Why would Muslims be more outraged by cartoons in a Paris magazine than by hundreds of thousands of Muslims killed by Washington and its French and NATO vassals in seven countries during the past 14 years?" doesn't make sense considering the recent attack in Copenhagen, a planned assault against Jylland-Posten from a few years back, and the murder attempt of one of the Danish cartoonist. Unless you want to believe they were all false flag operations, but that's really going far.
I'll also point out that the Hyper Casher gunman was linked to the Kouachi (and even gave a TV interview).
The timing of the suicide, on the other hand, is certainly odd.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not a silver bullet. With this we'd still have the death penalty; or voted for populists measures like banning minarets.
Ooh, what a delightfully aristocratic objection. We can't give the lesser peoples self-rule, they'd rule themselves wrong!! Have you considered any noblesse oblige -style colonization and rule of third-world nations? Sounds like a good match.
I'm aware of the ethical implications, and I haven't made my mind on the matter (probably never will). I just said that it's not a silver bullet, and presented cases where it could go wrong.
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#114La Quadrature du Net has also affirmed that while they were demonstrating in front of the National Assembly, there were two IMSI Catchers. And the law wasn't even passed yet. Great example of what will happen. ( http://www.franceinfo.fr/actu/politique/article/des-appareil... link in french, can provide a translation if needed) Bernard Cazeneuve, our ministre de l'Intérieur (Tasked with internal security, i.e. police…
Encrypting all communications is certainly the way to go. But, I wonder if we can make these systems completely inefficient by flooding them with false positives. Assuming we can figure out the patterns they are looking for in our communications, could this be a possible solution to force them to withdraw they "black boxes"?
This was a premise considered a very long time ago when it came to the NSA's snooping. People were (still are?) putting keywords in every email, etc. It didn't make any difference, and inherently can't.
Here's why.
Scenario 1) It works. You get arrested on some arbitrary basis for impeding their system. Or they otherwise make it illegal to do so, and begin cracking down on that.
Scenario 2) You throw a vast amount of interference at their system, and it has an effect. They spend more of your money to constantly stay head of the collective efforts. Most likely a relatively small number of people will never be able to overwhelm it long-term.
Scenario 3) It doesn't work in any meaningful way at all.
Focus on strong encryption.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then you don't really believe in democracy, and I have to disagree.
Please take a look at what happened in Athens a few thousand years ago. You'll see that even then people were susceptible to fear mongering and manipulation, so in effect the real power was in the hands of a few. People has always been stupid, there's no way around that, sorry.
The Melian dialogue is what the poster is referring to here for those that did not any classics at school
Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
"False Flag" is quite an assertion to be making. Do you have proof..?
Not the person you're replying to but I'll answer anyway. The theory that the Charlie Hebdo attacks was a false flag attack was raised by Paul Craig Roberts of the Reagan administration.[1] I find it a pretty incredible claim, but it's coming from a somewhat credible source regardless. Coupled with the fact that we do know false flag operations have been used and planned for use in the past, it's not hard to see why…
The claim would be a little more credible if there wasn't already a history of street demonstrations around the world calling for this type of attack (to say nothing of the celebrations afterward) and multiple threats of violence against the staff... also if he didn't drag a few 9/11-truther allusions into the matter.
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#117Here is the amendment if anyone is interested: http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/amendements/2697/AN/437...
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#118French National Assembly has 577 delegates. According to Le Monde article, 25 voted for and 5 against. The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. This is beyond WTF. I am a client at OVH and Gandi and I hope they send a big FU to the French government and relocate. I am willing to pay a premium for that.
I've never understood this - why is it allowed that they don't show up for these votes? (Not just in france)
Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)
#119La Quadrature du Net has also affirmed that while they were demonstrating in front of the National Assembly, there were two IMSI Catchers. And the law wasn't even passed yet. Great example of what will happen. ( http://www.franceinfo.fr/actu/politique/article/des-appareil... link in french, can provide a translation if needed) Bernard Cazeneuve, our ministre de l'Intérieur (Tasked with internal security, i.e. police…
Looks to be a very similar law as the one created in Sweden, and I suspect the arguments will be quite similar too. Publicly, its to hunt terrorists. Internally, its to give police and tax departments more power. Secretly, it is so spies has something to trade with other spies on the international level.
Since neither of those 3 things is something they want to discuss openly, no debate will happen between those who decide and the public.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This is how democracy dies. We need a system of government that allows scientists and thinkers to have a weighted power balancing politicians. POliticians cannot be trusted by definition
No, you need direct democracy. With modern communications, there is no reason to organize frequent elections on key issues, like in Switzerland.
Direct democracy only works if most of the voters have:
1) sufficient general education;
2) sufficient domain education;
3) time to read the law;
4) time to reflect on the law;
5) peers to discuss at length and with depth the law;
etc.
It's more efficient to have delegation systems. The problem is that both politicians and the press are corrupted delegation systems.