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Announcing the Surface 3

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Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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For $500 I can get a real ultrabook. Like Dell XPS 11 2560 x 1440 display 4GB RAM 128GB SSD http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/665236/Dell-XPS-11-XPS...

With a shorter battery life, more than twice as heavy, and cumbersome to use in the "tablet" mode. The deep discount on the $1200 ultrabook also seems unusual, like they're having a fire sale just to get it out of stock.

Considering the reviews I found[1], I suspect "fire sale" is exactly what this is.

[1] http://www.engadget.com/products/dell/xps/11/

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So Windows RT is dead ? I'd say good riddance, it was just too closed. I remember having a family friend buying one of those devices and trying to install Chrome on it. Well, no luck, WinRT's closed policies won't allow that (and it's not a technical issue.). But their store policies will still allow fake "Chrome" apps packaging an IE webview.

Windows RT is deader than dead; they're the only thing Microsoft makes that isn't getting Windows 10. Lumias that AT&T sell for $50 off contract? Windows 10. Xbox One? Windows 10. Okay, I guess they still sell the 360 and it's not getting Windows 10. Everything else? Windows 10. But not Windows RT. (Windows 10 Mobile will be allowed onto tablets, but not ones above a certain screen size, so RT isn't able to get that,…

Wondering if it's not a rebranding: with Windows 10 running on raspberry pi, what's the catch ? Are they simply abandoning the 9+inch tablet ARM devices?

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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Does anyone else see the glaring difference between how Microsoft markets its products VS how Apple markets their products? Microsoft: List 101 features. Tell everyone how amazing each new feature is. Remind everyone that there is a huge array of features. List them out again. Apple: Take a nice photo. Done.

Main points from http://www.apple.com/macbook/:

* Dimensions * Keyboard size * Screen resolution * Trackpad features * Wireless capabilities * No fan * Battery design and battery life * Operating system * Apps ...

Seems like a bunch of features to me.

Can't view Apple's videos since I don't have Quicktime, so I can't compare there.

Edit: Apple's page is prettier than Microsoft's.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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That 2 GB, 64 GB model just looks painful to use. I've seen a lot of Windows installs use up more than 64 GB, in particular as WinSXS grows as more updates are installed (thus more duplicate DLLs are stored). If anyone asked me, I'd describe 128 GB as the "minimum" storage needed for Windows. And even then you aren't storing much if any user data on it. 4 GB is the minimum I'd run anything newer than Windows XP on. T…

It feels like the Surface 3 is coming out a few months too early in some respects, as the disk space improvements in Windows 10 are going to make it a lot more palatable on the $499 model: http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/03/16/how-wind...

This is my feeling as well. I just don't want a Windows 8 machine. Its clear it was a transition OS full of compromise, half cooked ideas, and a "lets just ship" mentality, which MS had to embrace considering it was practically a non-player in the mobile space in 2012.

I'm hoping 10 comes out with a more refined understanding of modern OS expectations, especially when your OS is both a desktop and mobile OS. I find it amusing that 8 came out with this large install size when SSDs were becoming the norm. I guess Redmond can't move fast enough to avoid this outcome. They saw 1TB drives being the norm in 2009-2010-ish when they started this project and couldn't pivot fast enough to stop it. Now things like the sxs folder being 20gb is the norm. Or still defaulting to a 1996-like "make your swap file twice 2x your RAM size" mentality. I have 16gb of RAM. I sure as hell don't need a 32gb swap file.

The only reason I have a swap file is because DirectX seems to expect one for many games, so I have a token 512mb one just for gaming. No other application expects one. MS really needs to contemporize with Win10. There's just way too much legacy cruft in 7 and 8. Win8 on that sexy Surface hardware is like driving your Ferarri on a dirt road.

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It's just sleazy that all of their advertising is centered on how the keyboard differentiates the device from other tablets and then the keyboard isn't included in the base price.

What's puzzling is that in the "what's in the box" section of the product page, which is where I look for this kind of "gotcha", there is no mention or photo of the stylus being included. I'm sure it is, but it seems like a colossal marketing oversight to not explicitly state that the pen is included in the box. And in the tech specs it states there is support for the surface pen...but again nothing about a pen being…

I would assume that one of the pens would not be included then. Because it's specifically spelled out (and shown) as being included in the Surface 3 Pro.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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No it's not related. HN is not your tech support forum. Especially not for trivially google-able issues.

It's not trivial. They give me 50 mp3s in a zip folder. The guy was talking about troubles downloading an mp3 to an iOS device. Please, feel free to send me a LMGTFY that has a result showing how to open a zip file of mp3s on an iOS device without having iTunes on a desktop.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=extract+zip+files+on+ipad&l=1 http://lmgtfy.com/?q=play+mp3+on+ipad+without+itunes&l=1

Please consider not posting on HN in the future.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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That 2 GB, 64 GB model just looks painful to use. I've seen a lot of Windows installs use up more than 64 GB, in particular as WinSXS grows as more updates are installed (thus more duplicate DLLs are stored). If anyone asked me, I'd describe 128 GB as the "minimum" storage needed for Windows. And even then you aren't storing much if any user data on it. 4 GB is the minimum I'd run anything newer than Windows XP on. T…

128GB minimum storage? You'd have to be installing like a lot of software then? Even my main development machines (2 Visual Studio versions, 2 Matlab versions, 2 Labview versions, Office and utilities) only take 70-80GB. I think a more typical user like my mom who only uses a browser, office and some utilities would be just fine with 64GB for Windows and software. Also a bare Windows 10 install uses about 1 GB of ram…

> 128GB minimum storage? You'd have to be installing like a lot of software then?

Nope. Windows grows over time. So a Windows install that fit into 40 GB would grow to over 100 GB over a two or three years.

Heck we had to pull an entire rack of servers because the idiots that set them up partitioned the drive into a 100 GB C: and a massive D:, and Windows consumed all the space on C: just through Windows Update and then started falling over.

We had to rebuilds the machines with a 200 GB C: and they have been running fine ever since.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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I own a Surface Pro 3, and when I first got it I'd describe the experience as just mediocre. However Microsoft has been aggressively updating the software as has Intel, and as a result of those effects the SP3 has really stepped up and is now quite a good little tablet/ultrabook combo. I only have two remaining concerns with the SP3: My i5 version continues to get extremely hot near the middle of the device (e.g. whe…

Is it any different from from the Macbook versus Macbook Pro? Massively different devices. The odd duck out is the Surface RT line, which seems to be abandoned now, removing that confusion.

I don't think the MacBook [Pro] is a flattering comparison. Apple is rapidly falling away from their traditional simple and obvious product lines, and the current MacBook lineup is extremely confusing to a lot of people.

Re: Announcing the Surface 3

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No it's not related. HN is not your tech support forum. Especially not for trivially google-able issues.

You'd think it was trivial, but it's shockingly hard to do without using iTunes. For a person who frequents HN, that's extremely unintuitive. And iTunes is terrible, so that solution is out. It took me forever to realize that just because I can kinda-sorta interact with my iPhone as a storage device doesn't mean that it's even remotely going to actually behave as one. The whole process is infuriating if you go in exp…

It is trivial. And it is not shockingly hard. It's precisely as hard as anyone would expect it to be. Apple doesn't want you to do it, so you need multiple third party apps that risk being banned from the app store to implement it.

(to clarify: If it were impossible, which it very well might be, that would still not be shocking)

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"I already have an iPhone, and iPad and a Macbook Pro. Why would I want this?" Er, I'm guessing you wouldn't, if your current setup works for you. But it could potentially replace the iPad that you rarely use and the Macbook that you do. If I was in the market for a new laptop I'd strongly consider a Surface 3 Pro with a docking station - perfect for when I'm sat at my desk with a monitor (what I do with my Macbook a…

>it could potentially replace the iPad that you rarely use and the Macbook that you do.

Isn't the takeaway that this device can't actually replace someone's primary computer, even if could replace their seldom used tablet?

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