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Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Every time Elon Musk makes this kind of announcement, his engineering departments groan. As I understand, they have folks actively managing Musk trying to prevent him from promising the moon :)

I hate this sentiment. Yes, Elon makes huge promises. And you know what? He frequently gets there. Everyone quoted in the article says "No". Elon says "Why not?" And you're worried about the engineers.

"He" doesn't frequently get there. The engineers get there. Or they don't. If they don't, whose fault do you imagine it is?

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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I'm not positive on this but I believe Tesla either uses technology or licenses patents directly from Mercedes-Benz regarding their whole "self-driving" and "autopilot" marketing here. Case in point: my current car does a variety of self-driving tasks such as: - Autonomous braking - Active lane keeping assist to steer you in the lane if the radar and cameras detect you are swerving - PRE-SAFE collision prevention plu…

Yeah, there are some COTS parts available for various autonomous driving functionality. My Ford fusion does pretty much all of the above, and I do not think Ford implemented everything themselves, and the sensors look very similar to various other implementations from different auto manufacturers.

Your Ford certainly doesn't do even most of the above. Your Ford has pedestrian awareness and active lane departure systems? It has radar to brake and accelerate during traffic? Definitely not.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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I hate this sentiment. Yes, Elon makes huge promises. And you know what? He frequently gets there. Everyone quoted in the article says "No". Elon says "Why not?" And you're worried about the engineers.

"He" doesn't frequently get there. The engineers get there. Or they don't. If they don't, whose fault do you imagine it is?

You do realize that he co-founded and is running both a successful electric car company and a successful rocket company? And before that co-founded an insanely successful payments company?

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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I mean, the cars are insanely expensive already. I think they're priced to include plenty.

Teslas are in line with other luxury sedans (of course you may view all of those are insanely expensive). The 60 starts at $64K, cash price counting tax credits, and the P85 is $96K. Compare that with the starting prices of the BMW 5-series, $50K (base) to $94K (M5). The Porsche Panamera is $78K to $180K starting price. The Model S has been tested against the Mercedes S550, which starts at $94K. If you look at the pe…

I am sorry but You just can't compare tesla model s with Mercedes S class in terms of comfort - that's the biggest reason why people purchase an s class merc. In terms of interior quality and ride comfort I can only compare tesla to Toyota camry or Nissan maxima at best. Bmw, Mercedes never mind Porsches are miles ahead in comfort/interior quality departments.

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Judging by the article, "under optimal conditions" is an exaggeration. There was no citation of problems during traffic conditions. My father sits through 2-4 hours of Los Angeles rush hour each day, and this is absolutely a game changer for someone like him. This is stellar.

There are already cars that have this feature, he should look into them. What Tesla is releasing at this stage brings absolutely nothing new to the table.

That's probably why he is promising such a short timeframe to release.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"He" doesn't frequently get there. The engineers get there. Or they don't. If they don't, whose fault do you imagine it is?

You do realize that he co-founded and is running both a successful electric car company and a successful rocket company? And before that co-founded an insanely successful payments company?

Yes, but he also frequently makes false (or at best incredibly misleading) public statements about how far along they are on such projects. (Source: friend-of-a-friend is one of those groaning Tesla engineers.)

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, there are some COTS parts available for various autonomous driving functionality. My Ford fusion does pretty much all of the above, and I do not think Ford implemented everything themselves, and the sensors look very similar to various other implementations from different auto manufacturers.

Your Ford certainly doesn't do even most of the above. Your Ford has pedestrian awareness and active lane departure systems? It has radar to brake and accelerate during traffic? Definitely not.

http://owner.ford.com/how-tos/vehicle-features/safety/lane-k...

Many (most?) Ford models have had adaptive cruise control available as an option for years.

The Mondeo also got pedestrian awareness in Europe for 2015.

The attitude in your comment is strange considering that the grandparent post you wrote specifically points out that this technology is licensable between manufacturers. Why would Ford not be buying the same modules everyone else is?

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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I'm not positive on this but I believe Tesla either uses technology or licenses patents directly from Mercedes-Benz regarding their whole "self-driving" and "autopilot" marketing here. Case in point: my current car does a variety of self-driving tasks such as: - Autonomous braking - Active lane keeping assist to steer you in the lane if the radar and cameras detect you are swerving - PRE-SAFE collision prevention plu…

I believe they all get it from mobileye with some manufacturers getting an exclusive license for some period of time.

Nope. They built it themselves.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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Mentally it's less stressful to get behind another car and just let the computer control the speed and distance the whole way. You stop caring if they are going 55 or 77. I just sit there and listen to podcasts. I stay alert though, and I've avoided the urge to read or something.

It would be an interesting experiment to measure actual alertness and ability to react.... I would hazard that while you think you might be alert you're probably less so as because you're not actively driving your brain is not ready to react in the same way as if it's constantly processing while driving. Case in point - I've got two cars, our boring diesel daily driver and 380hp:600kg track day weapon which you reall…

I was thinking of a similar possible problem during my commute this morning, not with automated driving but with automatic equipment and systems in general. Does convenience breed mental laziness and/or decay? In our increasingly automated and comfortable existence, what experiences confront us with the need for high focus and alertness, or systematic problem solving? (Speaking of humans in general, not just engineers and other professionals who benefit from this kind of activity in their work.) So many things have been reduced (usually delightfully so) to point, click and enjoy.

Some physical environments for advanced age folks are designed with features to promote extra physical exertion, to help maintain the occupants' fitness, which in turn promotes safety. (Better balance, fewer falls.)

Similarly, we might consider building-in a baseline requirement of mental activity for the operation of certain systems. In the short term, this might increase alertness in the moment, as in the semi-autonomous driving example. (In that case, perhaps a UI that requires maintaining a certain amount of eye motion across the road, or particular posture.) In the long term, perhaps other (more challenging?) in-built exercises will promote mental and neurological health in people whose work and play would otherwise fail to be stimulating.

Re: Elon Musk: Tesla cars will have “autopilot mode” by summer

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You do realize that he co-founded and is running both a successful electric car company and a successful rocket company? And before that co-founded an insanely successful payments company?

Yes, but he also frequently makes false (or at best incredibly misleading) public statements about how far along they are on such projects. (Source: friend-of-a-friend is one of those groaning Tesla engineers.)

I worked for him directly. That's how he gets amazing stuff done. And clearly it works. If employees aren't up for it, probably best to find something else.
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