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Number of legal 18x18 Go positions computed. One more to go

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Re: Number of legal 18x18 Go positions computed. One more to go

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shit_parade wrote: post #63
everyone wrote: post #11

Anyone here play? It is pretty much the ultimate boardgame. Its like game-theory the game. From the very start you are embroiled in interesting risk/reward and provoking you opponent to overextending type stuff. Great place to play is gokgs.com I actually cant play many strategy games anymore because I realize this is like go with a load of crap thrown on it. My friend and I call this 'false complexity' the game isnt…

Generally the most important move is the first move, a common 'zen' go problem is an empty board with 'black to play to win'. Komi(compensation given to the second player) is a recent invention(1900s) and has only gone up from 4.5 to the recent 6.5 or 7.5 in some tournaments, and yet black still wins over 50% of professional games. Knowing how much komi should be is equivalent to knowing how to play the best game. As…

I'm about 7k on kgs. I'm at that stage where to get better I reckon I would have to actually study joseki and tsumego. Which seems wrong for a game. I will just keep playing at this level.

Also the rating system (while necessary to find a roughly match) sorta bothers me. I keeps making me want to get a higher rating! Normally I dont care about stuff like that.

Re: Number of legal 18x18 Go positions computed. One more to go

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Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #83
everyone wrote: post #11

Anyone here play? It is pretty much the ultimate boardgame. Its like game-theory the game. From the very start you are embroiled in interesting risk/reward and provoking you opponent to overextending type stuff. Great place to play is gokgs.com I actually cant play many strategy games anymore because I realize this is like go with a load of crap thrown on it. My friend and I call this 'false complexity' the game isnt…

I play and love both Go and MtG, and I think your assessment of MtG is not fair. The thing about MtG is that the real fun is not as much in playing the game itself but in the deck building. When I'm playing a game of MtG, I'm not thinking only about the current game or how to win it, but rather which cards/combos are working well, which are not working, what cards I should use instead, etc. to improve my deck for the…

I never said false complex game werent fun! :) Go can be make you feel bad. Because it is so completely based on skill and judgement, the better player will invariably annihilate the worse one. So you either get annihilated and feel stupid, or annihilate your opponent and feel sadistic. Though a certain percentage of the time you have very close match which is really amazing.

Re: Number of legal 18x18 Go positions computed. One more to go

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barbs wrote: post #89
RBerenguel wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Been playing for many years (I'm around 5k.) I also enjoy a game of backgammon (I picked it up last August) and still play casual, artificially-complex games with my friends, since they are not big go fans

Curious, what "artificially-complex" games do you play with your friends?

The ones they like, I don't care that much. Lately, Battlestar Galactica and a couple I don't remember the names.

Re: Number of legal 18x18 Go positions computed. One more to go

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everyone wrote: post #111
shit_parade wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally the most important move is the first move, a common 'zen' go problem is an empty board with 'black to play to win'. Komi(compensation given to the second player) is a recent invention(1900s) and has only gone up from 4.5 to the recent 6.5 or 7.5 in some tournaments, and yet black still wins over 50% of professional games. Knowing how much komi should be is equivalent to knowing how to play the best game. As…

I'm about 7k on kgs. I'm at that stage where to get better I reckon I would have to actually study joseki and tsumego. Which seems wrong for a game. I will just keep playing at this level. Also the rating system (while necessary to find a roughly match) sorta bothers me. I keeps making me want to get a higher rating! Normally I dont care about stuff like that.

In my experience, the gap from 7k to 3k actually is mostly about the sense of the game, rather than skill and technique. To be precise, I don't think reading skill is that much difference, but 3k know better what to read, what constitutes weak or strong group. Joseki definitely isn't an issue well into dan level.
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