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Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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Sure it appeals to me, but what's the point of this submission? A thought exercise or are you assessing interest?

I wanted to assess the interest. I wanted to know if there are other people out there who would love a linux laptop. This is actually a personal itch of mine. i feel the only thing holding back linux is quality hardware which truly brings out the best in it. Hence, after gauging the interest here I have started communicating with a few manufacturers. So stay tuned! :)

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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post #111
post #82

Sure it appeals to me, but what's the point of this submission? A thought exercise or are you assessing interest?

I wanted to assess the interest. I wanted to know if there are other people out there who would love a linux laptop. This is actually a personal itch of mine. i feel the only thing holding back linux is quality hardware which truly brings out the best in it. Hence, after gauging the interest here I have started communicating with a few manufacturers. So stay tuned! :)

Yes that's it exactly. I've tried to use Linux on the desktop in several startups. Each time, the hardware had outstripped Linux support. We'd have raid scsi controllers; Linux would use them as single drives. We'd have good graphics cards; Linux would run in the lowest mode.

So we switched to running supported OSs, with Linux running in a virtual machine for the tools we couldn't get otherwise. (We were building software for embedded Linux devices)

I suppose it had something to do with Linux being done open-source. Which means it has to wait for some interested party to get around to supporting new hardware. I used to say, we could use Linux full-time once it had a 'have disk' button like other OSs. Meaning once I could install drivers from the manufacturer frictionlessly.

I imagine all that's been fixed by now? I haven't been tempted to use Linux in 5 years.

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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I would love one. Currently in between real laptops (long story, currently using a £200 15" craptop with debian XFCE) and I am genuinely puzzled what to do next. Macbook air (my last real laptop, 11") was awesome, but you have to upgrade the storage at the start (I learned the hard way). There's no option for a smallish SSD + big spinning data drive (which, in practise, turns out to be extremely useful.) I could brea…

I'm on the same boat as you. At my workplace ThinkPads are standard and lots of people install Linux. It seems there is some hacks to make the (2|4|5)40 trackpads work. IIRC it is a combination of kernel 3.17 and some X configuration fiddling. So not all hope is lost.

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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I, personally, want the T420 with a better (16:10) screen and speakers. The processor is also starting to get a bit long in the tooth for what I do. I don't even need a 4:3. (I prefer two side-by-side columns for coding.) Oh, and the system should wake from sleep properly 100% of the time rather than 96% of the time (as my t420 does) and I shouldn't have intermittent wi-fi problems (as my t420 does.) So, I think the…

Completely agreed. I've been able to work quite effectively on a T520i -- but I've also experienced occasional frustration with the hardware integration. Every time I upgrade Ubuntu, I worry that I'm about to knock my system's stability off its precarious perch, and sometimes it happens. Things just aren't bulletproof. For my next computer, I'm willing to spend the extra $1000 for a Mac, where I can believe that thin…

Why not try another distro? I have been using Fedora since version 17 on my T530 and using fedup to upgrade without issues. Now I'm on Fedora 21 and it works perfectly fine.

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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You can buy a system76, thinkpenguin, Dell XPS 13, or Zareason computer and expect Ubuntu to just work™. Stop buying Windows computers and saying its the Linux distros fault the hardware isn't fully supported or stable, it is the same thing as trying to install OSX on a Windows computer and complaining nothing works. You gotta get supported products, and they do exist now, they are just a small and growing market. Bu…

http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1pwwr0/system76_is_sc... When I last checked the reviews of the system76 laptops, there were more problems than the T420. The Zareason systems have those awful keyboards from the looks of it, and even the "UltraLap" looks bulky. And it includes a terrible resolution screen. (Why is anything shipping with 1366x768 anymore?) They either aren't thinking of programmers, or they don'…

I have the Clevo 740SU from Xotic, due to the negative press around System76 from early last year. You can get it without an OS and the only requirement is replacing the wifi card if you want a good wireless nic.

Its 14", thin, powerful, etc - only downside is battery life, which only gets 3 - 6 hours depending on workload.

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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I would love one. Currently in between real laptops (long story, currently using a £200 15" craptop with debian XFCE) and I am genuinely puzzled what to do next. Macbook air (my last real laptop, 11") was awesome, but you have to upgrade the storage at the start (I learned the hard way). There's no option for a smallish SSD + big spinning data drive (which, in practise, turns out to be extremely useful.) I could brea…

I'm on the same boat as you. At my workplace ThinkPads are standard and lots of people install Linux. It seems there is some hacks to make the (2|4|5)40 trackpads work. IIRC it is a combination of kernel 3.17 and some X configuration fiddling. So not all hope is lost.

I've already found about 4 tutorials - and the X240 is reduced in the new year sales! This makes them both cheaper and better than the equivalent macbook airs (with hybrid over straight SSD, higher res, etc) so it looks like that's the only choice...

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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post #85

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>> Sub the plastic for aluminum and it shouldn't add more than $100 to the ticket price. You'll be surprised! I'd suggest closer to $200. >> Make the keyboard good for another $50 Agreed. >> ...throw in a 512GB SSD and call it a day at $700 with a Haswell dual core. Can't argue with the storage, but the CPU is still not an i5/7 and the graphics card isn't Intel Iris/nVidia class. Add those in and we're beginning to h…

$200 just for an aluminum case? The price of aluminum is under $1 per pound. Where do you get that amount?

You are forgetting the first lesson of economics: supply and demand. There are enough people willing to pay to cost so they will charge as much as they can get away with. The actual cost of the case is no more than $50 at most. Manufacturing in China is really really cheap.

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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post #11

Unequivocally yes. As a developer having an identical setup on my local machine that I do on my server saves so much time. Besides none of the commercial OS's have a package manager that comes close to the package managers on linux / bsd.

Homebrew.

That's not a package manager, that's an hack.

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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> Now the problem is that Lenovo is trying to be more like Apple and this does not go well with them. You can ask how much people are pleased with the new single button touchpads or how they like 16:9 screens instead of 16:10 screens or how they like the lack of Delete button. I have one of those newer lenovos, and if the trackpad is their attempt to "be more like" Apple, they really have a very long way to go in ter…

Buttons at the top of the trackpad were normally used with the trackpoint. They're underneath that. It's kind of weird to see developers not loving the trackpoint and those three buttons because it's exactly where you want them and really freaking useful when yu get used to it. The only other pointing device that I like was the Microsoft IntelliMouse (which they don't appear to make anymore).

yeah. but now, they have two pointing devices. the trackpoint, and the trackpad. the buttons are in the middle. I'm a trackpad guy so...why even bother having a trackpad if the buttons are designed for the trackpoint? the two alternate interfaces in one package is kind of a fail to start with, they should pick one or the other and stick with it.

Re: Would you use a Linux based computer, better or equal to a mac in quality?

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Now the problem is that Lenovo is trying to be more like Apple and this does not go well with them. You can ask how much people are pleased with the new single button touchpads or how they like 16:9 screens instead of 16:10 screens or how they like the lack of Delete button. I have one of those newer lenovos, and if the trackpad is their attempt to "be more like" Apple, they really have a very long way to go in ter…

T440p here. I can right click at the top or the bottom of the touchpad, so I'm not sure what you mean.

you can right-click on the bottom right w/ your thumb and that works as a right-click ?
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