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Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

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Post by skrebbel »

happyscrappy wrote: post #97
kyledrake wrote: post #75

The last time people got this crazy about a hack, Kevin Mitnick was thrown in solitary confinement for months because they thought he could "whistle nuclear launch codes into prison telephones". 2600 made the documentary about it, Freedom Downtime, and I strongly recommend watching it if you never have. So what if North Korea did it (of course I'm skeptical of this, anyone with a computer can conduct the same activit…

Only someone who has never run a business can be in favor of more crackers and script kiddies.

Yeah of course because who cares if people get tortured, mass raped, cluster bombed and starved as long as we get to keep running our little startups, right?

Wars vs more script kiddies and you'd really choose the wars? I'm disgusted.

Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

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Post by joeguilmette »

geophile wrote: post #106

Isn't this two not really related events being conflated? 1) Sony gets hacked. A big hack, but just a hack. 2) Sony pulls a movie because it offends a nasty dictator identified by name. Why are these connected? It's not as if they learned about the movie from the hack? I've seen the ad for that movie a few times, and I'm pretty sure that the spymasters in North Korea can watch the same Seinfeld reruns that I do. Why…

What don't you get?

Sony got hacked, the hackers said if you halt release of the film we'll stop releasing your private data.

The release was cancelled, the hackers stop releasing private data.

It doesn't take a data scientist to put those two together.

Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

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Post by skj »

connie_lingus wrote: post #108
wmeredith wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your premise is pure fantasy. There was never a ticking time bomb scenario. And torque is NOT an effective means of extracting information. Everyone from Napoleon to Hitler to our own Military generals have aid as much. Here's a good article on the subject: http://www.theguardian.com/science/the-lay-scientist/2010/no...

i'm sorry, but this simply flies in face of logic. it is absolutely morally wrong, but it certainly can be effective and has been used throughout history. usually, things that don't work don't last anywhere near that long. there are all sorts of reasons to oppose it, which of course I do, but saying it cannot be effective just isn't one of them.

"Logic" is not what you're using here. People thought the earth was flat for, well, a long time. Things that are false can last quite a while.

Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

#114

Post by happyscrappy »

skrebbel wrote: post #111
happyscrappy wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only someone who has never run a business can be in favor of more crackers and script kiddies.

Yeah of course because who cares if people get tortured, mass raped, cluster bombed and starved as long as we get to keep running our little startups, right? Wars vs more script kiddies and you'd really choose the wars? I'm disgusted.

There is going to be no real war over this hacking that is pure fucking fantasy. This is all just shit threading so we can talk about torture and continue the reddit like circle jerk.

Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

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Post by jerednel »

junto wrote: post #77

I guess a movie about two brave maverick North Korean TV stars heading to Washington to assassinate Obama, the evil emperor of the United States could also be a 'funny' comedy movie to watch. Seriously though, while the plot of the film is both purile and offensive to the North Korean dictator personally, should NK be behind the attack on Sony (im still not convinced) then it is definitely an ulterly inappropriate re…

I mean, Zoolander's plot was using male models to assassinate the prime minister of Malaysia and nobody had a problem with that.

Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

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Post by aeze »

connie_lingus wrote: post #95

The CIA report threatens our legitimacy as a world power. no it does not...almost everyone in the world understand that under certain conditions, torture to get potentially life-saving information is just the way of things. let me put it this way...if your immediate family was going to be blown up in two hours, wouldn't you say go ahead and torture that guy who you KNOW has information on how to diffuse the bomb?

Your example is invalid but even so - no I wouldn't, and that's the point.

Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

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Post by atmosx »

I don't get it. Doesn't sonny have the money to hire people like Spender, D. Hartmeier, etc. To secure their network?! To they need a hacker community to secure their network?!

I mean it's obvious that they don't care about security or that they do care but they value flexibility more, than tight security. Either way I don't understand the nature of the offer, maybe it's pure irony and I missed it.

Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

#118

Post by atmosx »

junto wrote: post #77

I guess a movie about two brave maverick North Korean TV stars heading to Washington to assassinate Obama, the evil emperor of the United States could also be a 'funny' comedy movie to watch. Seriously though, while the plot of the film is both purile and offensive to the North Korean dictator personally, should NK be behind the attack on Sony (im still not convinced) then it is definitely an ulterly inappropriate re…

> I guess a movie about two brave maverick North Korean TV stars heading to Washington to assassinate Obama, the evil emperor of the United States could also be a 'funny' comedy movie to watch.

Except from the fact that it's a boring script, I don't see nothing wrong with it and I'm pretty sure that you an do a movie like that anytime you'd like in the US. I'm pretty sure the government will not send hackers to attack the studio... For making fun of any figure. In the late night show the host makes fun of virtually everyone and anything. Satire shows pretty much the level of a democracy.

ps. Consider that I'm very critical of the US gov. But it's absolutely nowhere near N. Korea if that was your point.

Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

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Post by researcher88 »

kyledrake wrote: post #75

The last time people got this crazy about a hack, Kevin Mitnick was thrown in solitary confinement for months because they thought he could "whistle nuclear launch codes into prison telephones". 2600 made the documentary about it, Freedom Downtime, and I strongly recommend watching it if you never have. So what if North Korea did it (of course I'm skeptical of this, anyone with a computer can conduct the same activit…

And all Sony had to do was regularly back up, encrypt and delete the emails off their servers. This is the prime thing motivating their actions and driving their fear. And protect sensitive documents better but that seems secondary.

Leaving an ever accumlating pile of embarassing communications for someone to steal and then extort you for is not a national security weakness.

Re: An Offer to Sony from 2600

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Post by Sumaso »

connie_lingus wrote: post #108
wmeredith wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your premise is pure fantasy. There was never a ticking time bomb scenario. And torque is NOT an effective means of extracting information. Everyone from Napoleon to Hitler to our own Military generals have aid as much. Here's a good article on the subject: http://www.theguardian.com/science/the-lay-scientist/2010/no...

i'm sorry, but this simply flies in face of logic. it is absolutely morally wrong, but it certainly can be effective and has been used throughout history. usually, things that don't work don't last anywhere near that long. there are all sorts of reasons to oppose it, which of course I do, but saying it cannot be effective just isn't one of them.

What?!?!

When John McCain was tortured and was asked to give up the names of his squad mates, he gave the names of the front line of the green bay packers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_military_career_...

Clearly torture is an effective way of getting useless information, you have no way to tell if the info is correct or not, and the prisoner has no incentive to give you the correct information.

People who were cooperating were still tortured, for no apparent reason!

(See the section on Rectal Feeding And Hydration:)

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-senate-is-about-to-releas...

So no, its just people being messed up. There is no logic. There is no reason.

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