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Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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Totally agree. Particularly since US citizens are so obsessed with guns and violence. I mean, look at all the shootings and massacres happening, by people of all ages and races, it's crazy! Couldn't stand living in a society like that where everyone's allowed and legally motivated to keep guns.

All of the mass shootings in the US have occurred in "gun free zones" (for example schools) where law-abiding people can't legally bring guns. Regardless of what your TV told you, non-law-enforcement people in the US can't legally walk into a school with a gun. As it turns out, criminals don't really care where they can legally bring guns and will happily walk past a "NO GUNS ALLOWED HERE!" sign. When gun grabbing le…

This is not true, though. There were armed security personnel on site[1] at the Columbine shooting that actually had a shootout with the duo. There were guns on campus, unfortunately they did not stop the massacre.

[1] http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/DEPUTIES...

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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A casual glance at the deplorable accidental and unintentional discharge rates in the US statistics should make it immediately clear that ...there isn't a substantial problem therewith. Not zero, of course, but by your line of reasoning cars should be outlawed immediately because of the actual accidental & unintentional harm rates therewith ... and the same issue with guns being orders of magnitude less. The problem…

Cars kill tens of thousands of people a year. Human drivers should absolutely be outlawed, as soon as the technology is feasible to do so.

Of under-discussed note: those fatalities are almost exclusively accidental. That vs (per current topic) nearly all gun-related fatalities (similar number) being deliberate. Of the two, seems the former is a grossly deficient product more worthy of prohibition; absent the latter, those choosing the action will just find some other tool.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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Your comment implies that there are two classes of people, "gun owners who understand firearms" and "non-gun owners who do not understand firearms". A casual glance at the deplorable accidental and unintentional discharge rates in the US statistics should make it immediately clear that gun ownership and understanding firearms have absolutely nothing to do with each other. I say this as a non-gun-owner who was taught…

A casual glance at the deplorable accidental and unintentional discharge rates in the US statistics should make it immediately clear that ...there isn't a substantial problem therewith. Not zero, of course, but by your line of reasoning cars should be outlawed immediately because of the actual accidental & unintentional harm rates therewith ... and the same issue with guns being orders of magnitude less. The problem…

by your line of reasoning cars should be outlawed immediately

Cars have lots of valuable uses. The valuable uses of guns are a lot fewer.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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post #106

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Guns save more lives than they take; Whether or not this is true, "guns" != fun toys like the AR-15 or the M&P15, the ownership of which is touted by pro-gun activists as some kind of an inalienable right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United... Which recognizes the unalienable right of self-defense ... and a bit more. If you think not, you're welcome to try to take them away from us.

If you think not, you're welcome to try to take them away from us.

Sorry, but I'm not going to play into your macho fantasies.

And I'll leave the issue of firearm regulation to the several decades of Supreme Court interpretation, which have consistently upheld the legitimate interest of federal and local governments in regulating the ownership and display of weapon types not reasonably related to self-defense.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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Guns scare the shit out of me. When I grew up in Australia where there is basically no guns. I used to walk on streets even on a drunken Friday / Saturday night without fear. I moved to the US a few years ago and since then every corner I turn, I see people and I worry. I don't worry about getting robbed. No. I worry about a gun fight somewhere and a stray bullet hits me. I worry that someone drunk might hold me at g…

I am not trying to be glib/mean here, but you should probably see a therapist to learn how to cope. It sounds like you are suffering.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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post #56

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All of the mass shootings in the US have occurred in "gun free zones" (for example schools) where law-abiding people can't legally bring guns. Regardless of what your TV told you, non-law-enforcement people in the US can't legally walk into a school with a gun. As it turns out, criminals don't really care where they can legally bring guns and will happily walk past a "NO GUNS ALLOWED HERE!" sign. When gun grabbing le…

This is not true, though. There were armed security personnel on site[1] at the Columbine shooting that actually had a shootout with the duo. There were guns on campus, unfortunately they did not stop the massacre. [1] http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/DEPUTIES...

Per that item, and memory, those guys were outside the campus when it started, and only one was armed.

And I think you're missing the point. Absent a total ban on citizens of good standing possessing guns inside (including administrators in this case, or, say an arms locker in the teacher's lounge), the duo wouldn't have had free reign as the police cowered outside (experience shows teachers and administrators are a lot more serious and brave about protecting their charges than the local police were that day).

To take another example, the Colorado theater shooter could have gone to closer or bigger ones, but just happened to pick the one that was so ... severe about being "gun free" it insisted off duty police hired as security guards go unarmed. It was gun free, alright, until he showed up.

One correction to this pattern: the Arizona Congresswoman shooting, where an armed citizen showed up as the shooter was being restrained by people there, but one of them in the line could have been legally armed.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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This looks awesome. For $1,200 you could set up as a company making little things for others, earn enough to pay for the machine and then benefit from it yourself. What I would do with such a machine is to solve the problem of bike accessories and mounts. i.e. every light has a different mount, as do GPS devices, and cameras, and bag attachments. Yet you could manufacture some common clamp, and then adaptors for each…

This isn't a general purpose CNC milling machine. If you read the whole article, this is specifically designed to mill and drill the lower receivers of AR15, from a piece of aluminum stock called the "80 percent stock", which is a non-functional metal part that is only missing a few holes. If you have grand ideas about bike accessories and other metal objects, you can buy a proper CNC mill which is a bit more expensi…

"A bit" being the operative phrase. Something like a Sherline with the CNC options wouldn't set you back much more than that (depending on how many axes you need, bed size and height, of course). Not pretty, not overly fast, and takes some manual setup, but it'll keep you well south of the $10K-ish you could otherwise pay for a slick turnkey.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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This isn't a general purpose CNC milling machine. If you read the whole article, this is specifically designed to mill and drill the lower receivers of AR15, from a piece of aluminum stock called the "80 percent stock", which is a non-functional metal part that is only missing a few holes. If you have grand ideas about bike accessories and other metal objects, you can buy a proper CNC mill which is a bit more expensi…

http://Othermachine.co/ It is a tiny cnc mill. I have one and I love it. I mostly make wooden arty thinks, but I did successfully mill an aluminum car part for some friends.

I've been thinking about getting into milling (wood, or freaky candles) for a while now, but I can't tell if my lack of familiarity with CAD software is going to mean I stink at it forever. How hard was it to get into? Do you have special training from a trade or anything, or did you just pick this up as a hobby?

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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> ... the Constitution, which makes gun manufacturing subject to laws and regulations, but not bans in the US. I don't know if this is actually true. The right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the second amendment, but its a bit of a stretch to say that includes manufacturing of arms.

So the government could ban the manufacture and importation of printers, printer parts, radio and TV transmitters, etc. etc., indirectly negating the rights of free speech and the press? Nope, that's not how it works.

Well put. If Right X is a fundamental constitutional right, as the Second Amendment is according to the U.S. Supreme Court, then laws designed to restrict your ability to acquire the materials required to exercise Right X should be subjected to heightened scrutiny.

I'm not aware of a 2A case on point regarding firearm manufacturing (others may know more), perhaps because the federal Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act offered sufficient protection. I am aware of a case on point regarding selling firearms. Earlier this year, Chicago's ban on selling firearms was ruled unconstitutional: http://www.volokh.com/2014/01/06/firearm-may-sold-acquired-o...

This makes sense if you think about it. The First Amendment right to freedom of the press wouldn't mean much if the Feds can levy a 10,000% tax on newsprint. Which is why the Supreme Court has held that such taxes violate the First Amendment: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vo...

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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This is why gun owners get nervous when people who don't understand firearms try to legislate their ownership.

Your comment implies that there are two classes of people, "gun owners who understand firearms" and "non-gun owners who do not understand firearms". A casual glance at the deplorable accidental and unintentional discharge rates in the US statistics should make it immediately clear that gun ownership and understanding firearms have absolutely nothing to do with each other. I say this as a non-gun-owner who was taught…

> Let me say this again: the problem of personal safety has been solved better (people are safer) in every other developed nation without ubiquitous firearms.

Don't these countries have lower murder rates than the US has non-gun-related murder rates? As in, even if you removed every gun in the US, and even if all the crimes that would otherwise be committed with guns now just don't happen, the US still would have a higher murder rate than these countries.

(This is off the top of my head, please correct me if I'm wrong.)

In which case, it seems unlikely that the US' murder rate can be attributed to guns. You don't explicitly blame guns yourself, but I think this is worth noting. (And "civilization and the rule of law" isn't a solution, it's an applause light.)

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