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Re: X to close

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post #13

Interesting, but the connection to symbols from Japan seems a bit dubious (or at least not very recent). The term "cross out", and hence the use of an "x" to indicate negating something, seems to have been in common use in English since at least the 1920s: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=cross+out

Where you put a tick, you can put a cross?

Re: X to close

#112

Mind telling us why this is so important !

Because it is a design artifact that has survived decades, and here on HN there are a significant number of people who are designing artifacts that they hope will survive decades. Context is everything - for those people, this article provides a little context. Yesterday's "X" to close is today's 'swipe to close', and tomorrow's [___?___]. Solve for [___?___].

Re: X to close

#113

They mention X and O on the PS controller but usually in games O is for no and X is for yes. Completely opposite of the batsu/maru, incorrent/correct they were discussing.

If you buy a PSP or PS Vita in Japan it will use O as accept and X for cancel in the system menu. Not sure about the home consoles.

Re: X to close

#114

Too bad, that popular Windows applications like Skype and Spotify have gone against this and made "X to minimize". And their making of Alt+F4 also to minimize drives me nuts.

X closes the window not the application . The only intuition you need is to realise that window !== application.

That's not standard. If it's a one-window app, such as Skype, it should close the app. BareTorrent is also sort of a daemon process (where you often want it to live in the systray), and it follows standards. Minimize will put it in the system tray and close actually closes it. It's standard and feels intuitive.

Re: X to close

#115

"Vi, vim, emacs or edlin? No [x] to close these 1980's text editors either. X was commonly used to delete characters in-line, but not to close the program." Hmm... I've used :x to write+quit in Vim for years. And, :X is to encrypt+quit. Don't have a year when that was added though. Could be fun to try and dig that up.

Not sure why you got downvoted so much.

It would be fascinating if there was a text mode [x] somewhere, especially if it was in common software.

EDIT: It's not in Norton Commander.

Re: X to close

#117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

X closes the window not the application . The only intuition you need is to realise that window !== application.

That's not standard. If it's a one-window app, such as Skype, it should close the app. BareTorrent is also sort of a daemon process (where you often want it to live in the systray), and it follows standards. Minimize will put it in the system tray and close actually closes it. It's standard and feels intuitive.

I don't think so - I find this very subjective - I've always assumed that X just closes the window, even if it's a single window app. This is consistent, just some applications happen to also run in the background.

Re: X to close

#118
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? I thought the point for an IM client is that you don't need a window anywhere, if you have the icon down there. So you can close the main window, or you can separately quit the application.

Well, in Skype (and Windows applications in general) there is a MINIMIZE button for that, next to X and maximize. Why make X also act as minimize?

Minimize puts your window in the taskbar whereas X closes the window (not in the taskbar anymore), but whether it also closes the program or not at the same time is up to the program (and ideally should be configurable). That's how I understand it at least.

Re: X to close

#119
post #5

No 'x' to close vi? Was that not always there? I've certainly been using it as long as I can remember; that's not to say it's always been there though - does anyone know when it was first available? Edit: seems Wordstar used X too, probably starting in 1978.

ex uses x to exit as well (1976).
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