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Affordable Housing Draws Middle Class to Inland Cities

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Re: Affordable Housing Draws Middle Class to Inland Cities

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Post by micro_cam »

mrfusion wrote: post #105
micro_cam wrote: post #52

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Boise, Bozeman or Missoula are mountain towns with young tech/startup cultures where you can still have a huge impact.

I just looked them up, the climates look pretty dismal? 9 month winters basically?

Clearly you aren't a skier ;) I can't imagine seeking out a mountain town if you don't enjoy some sort of snow sport but the winters aren't as bad as all that and last maybe 4 months.

I moved to the Missoula area from Seattle. Summer is hotter but drier, winter is colder but drier and sunnier and I can ski powder most weekends.

I've come to enjoy a 20 degree dry day more then a 40 degree and drizzling day like we would get lots of in Seattle.

Re: Affordable Housing Draws Middle Class to Inland Cities

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Post by micro_cam »

davidw wrote: post #95
micro_cam wrote: post #52

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Boise, Bozeman or Missoula are mountain towns with young tech/startup cultures where you can still have a huge impact.

Yeah, the midwest is a step too far for me. I've got to have some mountains... some... something. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Oklahoma/@35.856529,-97.81... randomly grabbed from outside of Oklahoma City. Looks mind-numbingly boring. Ft Collins in Colorado looks like a calmer, more affordable place than Boulder.

Here is one from the town I live near:

https://www.google.com/maps/@46.2468,-114.177067,3a,75y,254....

The view of the thousand foot granite cliffs a few miles up in the mountains is blocked by the trees growing along the blue ribbon trout stream.

Re: Affordable Housing Draws Middle Class to Inland Cities

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Post by modfodder »

davidw wrote: post #104
vlucas wrote: post #102

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Most of the midwest looks like that - even in Colorado. Here's a streetview I randomly grabbed just outside Ft. Collins: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Fort+Collins,+CO/@40.33618...

That's more than 70km outside of town, to the east:-) Get closer and you get mountains.

The spot you chose is also 70km outside of Oklahoma City.

West/N.West of OKC is very flat. The further you move east the more terrain you have including the Ouchita Mts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Oklahoma#mediaview...), the Arbuckle Mts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbuckle_Mountains#mediaviewer/...), and the Wichita Mountains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita_Mountains#mediaviewer/F...).

Now none of these hold a candle to the spectacular geography of Western Colorado, but they offer nice reprieve from the office for nature lovers. And plenty of lakes for those that prefer swimming, sailing, etc.

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Post by lotharbot »

rybosome wrote: post #59
modfodder wrote: post #34

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As an Okie (now living in NY), the last two are very accurate. Can't say I've heard much on 1) but polite or quiet racism is definitely prominent. The state hates Obama, hates renewable energy (even though it could be a leader in both wind and solar energy), and hates rational thinking. If you're not a church goer or conservative, imho, it's not an enjoyable place. You will be outnumbered 90-1. And once you've lived…

> The state...hates renewable energy Well that clinches it for me. There are very, very few viewpoints that I dismiss out of hand, but opposition to renewable energy is one of them (maybe the only one). Energy is one of the world's most important resources, and we know that we are using a source which is ultimately finite. Even if oil reserves were to last another 10,000 years (and the vast majority of experts do not…

I don't hate renewable energy. I love the idea of renewable energy. But I hate parts of the renewable energy industry that lie, manipulate, or simply use political contacts to make a profit when they don't have a viable product.

I suspect Oklahoma's "hate" for renewable energy is the same. They're actually top 10 in non-hydro renewable electricity production (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_electric... ). From what I can tell, they actually have one of the healthier outlooks toward both renewable and non-renewable energy.

Re: Affordable Housing Draws Middle Class to Inland Cities

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Post by jimmaswell »

pessimizer wrote: post #20
fludlight wrote: post #9

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Eventually you will run out of available, qualified local talent and you will need to hire someone from a coastal tech hub. Only most Californians/New Yorkers don't want to move to Salt Lake City, or Oklahoma, or Houston, or anywhere else in the middle. The flag is the same but the culture is drastically different.

You will never be so short of people that you will have to hire someone from SF or NY. Those places don't have an excess of programmers, they have a deficit, and it's one that is continually resupplied from middle America and overseas.

I'm a countryside area of NY and I get a feeling I'd have to move closer to NYC or something to find programming opportunities
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