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Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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Post by XorNot »

QuadDamaged wrote: post #29
Udo wrote: post #15

I'm seriously wondering what my upgrade path is supposed to be. I have an ancient 2011 15" MBP, which was also the last user-upgradeable Apple laptop ever, but I remain hesitant to buy a new model. There is just not enough storage in the new ones, or in models that come close to my old one (1TB+) it's prohibitively expensive. At some point soon, my old MBP will probably disintegrate or get stolen, and it has features…

I use a 2008 15'' MBP, replacing the superdrive with an optibay + SSD and rolling-out my own fusion drive extended the lifespan of this machine to no ends. I am just slowly starting to consider getting another laptop in 2015, but the fact that the new line of MBP adhere to the soldered-on-and-force-obsolescence philosophy is really putting me off this purchase.

If I could retrofit a retina display to 2nd hand 2011 model MBP, then I'd replace my old Dell laptop with one today. Unfortunately every model of MBP since I've been wanting to upgrade has been less and less user serviceable or even technically repairable. Which puts me looking at spending a lot of money for the hope of more battery life really.

Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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Post by XorNot »

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mattcornell wrote: post #106

In the "mine is older than yours" category, I still program on a mid-2007 15" MBP! I recently upgraded it to 6GB RAM (I don't know why I waited so long), but I now have those vertical lines on the display that are from the internal connector (or something similar). Drat! Now I feel dumb for upgrading the RAM. The machine isn't bad, but replacing the screen is a no-go given that I could buy one on ebay for the price o…

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I'm not seeing the 4K screen option there...

Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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Post by aroch »

duiker101 wrote: post #105
coldtea wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Guess I was right when I decided to ditch Apple. You came to the conclusion that you "were right when you decided to ditch Apple" because they just put out newer, better models that the one you just bought? Sure makes sense...

probably my reaction was a bit excessive and influenced by my past but what if I had bought it just 15 days ago?

By your logic no company should ever release an updated product because someone, somewhere may have just purchased the old one.

Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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Post by XorNot »

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XorNot wrote: post #113

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I'm not seeing the 4K screen option there...

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No I meant the linked page you gave had just the one model. But clicking around I see it now. The main issue for me is what I really want is "longer then 2 hours battery life" for "upto 5 hours" doesn't inspire confidence.

To some extent its why I don't want to upgrade just for that either - battery technology hasn't fundamentally improved enough, so really it's all clever power saving tricks. Give me an ultabook padded out to an inch thickness with a solid sheet of NiMH batteries that can be charged to a couple hours of runtime in a few minutes.

Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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XorNot wrote: post #116
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No I meant the linked page you gave had just the one model. But clicking around I see it now. The main issue for me is what I really want is "longer then 2 hours battery life" for "upto 5 hours" doesn't inspire confidence. To some extent its why I don't want to upgrade just for that either - battery technology hasn't fundamentally improved enough, so really it's all clever power saving tricks. Give me an ultabook pad…

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Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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Post by WorldWideWayne »

swombat wrote: post #103
coldtea wrote: post #90

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> Guess I was right when I decided to ditch Apple. You came to the conclusion that you "were right when you decided to ditch Apple" because they just put out newer, better models that the one you just bought? Sure makes sense...

Of course it makes sense. Other manufacturers don't release new products until their current line-up is thoroughly obsolete. The way they achieve that is by releasing stuff that's already obsolete on day of launch, but you can't argue with the ethics!

I've been living in the future with my Surface Pro for a while now.

Apple won't catch up to that until they can lock down the supply chain.

Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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Post by WorldWideWayne »

andyfleming wrote: post #66
jokoon wrote: post #62

if only they could serve warfare tested windows drivers. I can't believe when people tell me my macbook pro 2009 with 2GB of ram is a "little too cheap" for mavericks or xcode 5. I can't even install windows on it because the superdrive is busted. I managed to install ubuntu, but there's ALWAYS a wifi/touchpad/heating issue. Not to mention the hardship getting some C++ project working on xcode. (like ogre for instanc…

Yeah, it doesn't seem like Apple really focuses on any development outside of their platforms (iOS, OS X). It has naturally become a popular choice for web design and development because of the strong graphic design user base. Over time, the community has built a lot of great tools for web dev on the mac, though. "Their hardware [being] dedicated to their OSX thingy" is actually a great thing for every day use. Their…

I tried to use OS X as my main OS, but I just couldn't get past what I considered "illogical" and "inconsistent" keyboard acceleration, keyboard navigation and user interactions.

For instance, in Windows and Gnome I can hunt through menus with the keyboard by simply press ALT and then the underlined letter of a menu (then use the arrow keys to look around and press ENTER or SPACE to pick one). This is consistent throughout those environments but on OS X you can't navigate like that, you have to memorize 2,000 hot-key combinations. Microsoft kind of ruined that nice feature with the "Ribbon" but the new keyboard navigation system for the ribbon is still more logical and consistent than what I've seen with OS X.

That's why I like to just put my Unix dev environment in a VM on Windows. I get the best desktop experience (for me) and when I need it, I have Unix.

Re: Updated MacBook Pros

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #119
andyfleming wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it doesn't seem like Apple really focuses on any development outside of their platforms (iOS, OS X). It has naturally become a popular choice for web design and development because of the strong graphic design user base. Over time, the community has built a lot of great tools for web dev on the mac, though. "Their hardware [being] dedicated to their OSX thingy" is actually a great thing for every day use. Their…

I tried to use OS X as my main OS, but I just couldn't get past what I considered "illogical" and "inconsistent" keyboard acceleration, keyboard navigation and user interactions. For instance, in Windows and Gnome I can hunt through menus with the keyboard by simply press ALT and then the underlined letter of a menu (then use the arrow keys to look around and press ENTER or SPACE to pick one). This is consistent thro…

Most of us define 'better' as 'what I'm accustomed to', me included. Explains the longevity of weird old editors etc.

But to be truly objective, there'd have to be some argument about ease of learning a system, or even ease of adjusting as the system changes. By that measure, Windows' switch to the 'ribbon' has disrupted a large community accustomed to menu interation etc. I'd call it a big step backward.

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