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Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by akg »

bastih wrote: post #8
asuffield wrote: post #4

Gah, the tutorial keybindings! They are mad. I've been using emacs for a very long time, and I can't imagine using those to navigate. Emacs has perfectly reasonable default keybindings these days, they just aren't the ones mentioned in the tutorial. Command: move down one line What vi uses: j What the emacs tutorial suggests: C-n What I use in emacs: the down arrow

But that means your fingers have leave home row! :(

This seems to be one of those arguments where we programmers tend to optimize for the wrong problem. Sure, we may be able to input more text more comfortably with the merits of one text editor over another, but really, I think most of the time spent during programming is reading APIs, headers, other code and most importantly thinking. Typing is hardly the bottleneck.

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by ansible »

jeremiep wrote: post #43
bmoresbest55 wrote: post #39

I still do not undertand the devotion that people have with these text editors. I prefer Vim however I could see myself using it soley or even half the time. I feel like I know the basic commands and it is fast but with the ease of a sublime text or something similar why do people still use these pieces of software so frequently? (Not a rhetorical question)

They take a while to master, but once you get there no other editor on the planet can compete. Not by a long shot. And then you keep on learning. They also can run in a remote console which for me is reason alone not to use another editor.

Rarely do I need a remote editor, where I don't also need a remote shell. So I'm using GNU screen all the time now.

Years ago, I finally made a little time-investment in learning Screen, and it has definitely paid off. I hear that tmux is better, but I don't have any missing requirements from my current setup, so I haven't tried to learn it.

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by platz »

cies wrote: post #17

Emacs+Evil is the next Vim. And yes, CtrlP is probably the thing you'll miss most. But all the other things I got from switching from Vim to Emacs+Evil easily outweigh the missing CtrlP. Vim was great, until I wanted to customize it heavily. It is simply not made to facilitate things like: child processes, SSH, understanding my code, a visual interface for Git.

There are many keybindings that conflict between emacs and evil/vim

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by Dewie »

akerl_ wrote: post #100
cies wrote: post #17

Emacs+Evil is the next Vim. And yes, CtrlP is probably the thing you'll miss most. But all the other things I got from switching from Vim to Emacs+Evil easily outweigh the missing CtrlP. Vim was great, until I wanted to customize it heavily. It is simply not made to facilitate things like: child processes, SSH, understanding my code, a visual interface for Git.

Do one thing well. My text editor shouldn't be managing child processes or SSHing or trying to be a visual Git interface, and Vim does a great job displaying my code so I can understand it.

> Do one thing well.

Do you really demand that an OS should only 'do one thing well'? :ø)

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by hsitz »

sprayk wrote: post #65

I really wanted to use Org-mode, but my vim muscle memory and lack of knowledge of keybindings to do useful things like copy/paste and move around with more than just arrow keys were preventing me from being productive. Finally got Evil installed and haven't looked back! Evil and Org-mode work great together.

They do work fine together, but unless you remap the Org-mode control key combinations then none of your Org-mode specific stuff will feel very vim-like. I think one good little project would be to remap all the Org functions to vim-like key sequences. The info in this newslist thread is a small start on that: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/52815

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by jeffbr13 »

Vim's home-row commands are great... Unless you use a non-QWERTY keyboard layout.

A lot of developers forget that there exist other methods of input, and mnemonic-based shortcuts are one of those things that make a lot more sense than attempting to optimise for a tiny reduction in finger-movement (which ought to be the domain of the input-device anyway).

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by MetaCosm »

aaronem wrote: post #107
MetaCosm wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fast proper fuzzy-find completion on files, buffers and tags that works across multiple platforms and even on files not in source control. In Vim I have it bound to f, b, t -- on my multiple trips over to Emacs land -- I have tried lots of ways to get the equivalent working and always come up short.

Lusty Explorer may well satisfy your first two requirements. I don't believe it searches tag files at present, but the capability shouldn't be too hard to add; for files and buffers, I've used it for some years, and find it quite nice.

Actually, I think I have used a clone of Lusty on the Vim side and it worked nicely. Getting tags support working would be nice as well -- I really like the global tags option in CtrlP (I got this function name somewhere in an open file, take me there).

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by chillacy »

jeffbr13 wrote: post #116

Vim's home-row commands are great... Unless you use a non-QWERTY keyboard layout. A lot of developers forget that there exist other methods of input, and mnemonic-based shortcuts are one of those things that make a lot more sense than attempting to optimise for a tiny reduction in finger-movement (which ought to be the domain of the input-device anyway).

Actually as a dvorak user I find it tolerable. jk are where cv sit and hl is jp, which means going up/down is left hand, left right on the right hand, and the keys are in the correct orientation as well

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by DrStrngeluv »

weavie wrote: post #89

The last time I tried Emacs+Evil I found that when pressing Ctrl+[ there was a slight delay when moving back into command mode. I was constantly tripping up when typing furiously. This alone was enough to move me back to Vim. Everything else about Emacs was awesome. I would love to go back if I could get over this one problem..

Were you using console mode emacs? I use evil+emacs and I use it in its own window instead of on the console for that very reason.

Re: Emacs and Vim

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Post by Gonzih »

Wanna have fun with emacs? Try to integrate evil mode nicely in different plugins. Especially if you use totally different key bindings in vi (non qwerty layout for example). It was very painful experience for me. Yes, vim is far from ideal, yes neo-vim is looking like to be next iteration in vim evolution, yes no parallel tasks execution is pain. But at the same time there is vimproc. For clojure integration there is fireplace.vim which is also amazing in my opinion, for git there is fugitive. I don't see any real comparison in this post, more like "I was bored with vim, now I use emacs".
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