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We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

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Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

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post #83

I feel like I could have programmed this site in 40hrs, tops. Let's say someone with a few years experience charged $50/hr, that would be $2,000. You could probably at least halve that hourly rate on odesk if you wanted to.

Development doesn't work like this. You are assuming they knew exactly what they wanted in a fair amount of detail up-front.

Exactly.

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#112
post #67

Get rid of 'beta' on the site header, there is no need for that and just makes you look cheap. I also dislike ratings on 1-10 scale (instead of 1-5, for example). What's the difference between a 2 and a 3, for example, or 8 and 9? It take too much thought.

Thank you! We added 10 stars for granularity, but we'll rethink it.

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#113
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, a good site is supposed to grow, right? At the same time, our site isn't really growing - which makes me think there's something wrong with it, somewhere. I have tremendous respect for the people on Hacker News, and I think we need honest advice from intelligent people. Showing HN usually doesn't muster really, really tough criticism.

> Well, a good site is supposed to grow, right? Why, precisely?

Hmm... Because if it's "good", it's of some use to people - and you would think they would start spreading word about the site and its benefits?

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#114
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, a good site is supposed to grow, right? At the same time, our site isn't really growing - which makes me think there's something wrong with it, somewhere. I have tremendous respect for the people on Hacker News, and I think we need honest advice from intelligent people. Showing HN usually doesn't muster really, really tough criticism.

Technically the site seems just fine. For your $200k I hope it has a robust back-end, as unless I'm missing something, it's functionally simple. Your mobile interface is good - needs a tiny bit of polish around things like the vote counts being cut off on the "list of lists" view. Your featured lists suck. Greatest presidents? What's the utility, other than "oh look"? Find a niche and cram yourself in there, saturate…

Thank you very much for this input. Your comment - and others - made us rethink our positioning. I think we're going to steer more towards gaming-, movies- and TV-oriented lists from now on; because that is really where the traction is coming from.

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#115

Oh man, not another "11 sexy girls with star wars tattoos"... Normally I would follow "if you don't have anything nice to say" but since you literally asked for it: Your site tries to build a better mousetrap in one of the worst corners of the internet (better means 'worse' in this case). "List sharing" is a known cheap trick for internet marketers who are the bottom of the barrel, exploitative of both original conte…

I actually really like information / data lists. Obviously that's a far cry from the "11 sexy girls" lists. I'd be happy to see a revolution in data lists. There are all sorts of occasions I'm looking for the top X in list format and would love to run across it as the top result, in a clean format that loads fast. One site that had a million of those (that are accurate) would earn my bookmark. I suppose Wolfram Alpha…

Thank you for your input!

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#116

Oh man, not another "11 sexy girls with star wars tattoos"... Normally I would follow "if you don't have anything nice to say" but since you literally asked for it: Your site tries to build a better mousetrap in one of the worst corners of the internet (better means 'worse' in this case). "List sharing" is a known cheap trick for internet marketers who are the bottom of the barrel, exploitative of both original conte…

Well, ideally we don't want to create those kinds of lists. Remember that our lists are interactive, meaning that anybody can interact with them, changing their ranking. Ideally we want to "empower interest-based communities to rank the best stuff out there". That sounds gay, and it is - but at the same time, it's true. I love red wine for example; and it can be really hard finding comparative lists between different kinds of red wine. Sure, you have Vivino (the app), but that is all kinds of fucked up. So I might want to create a list called "Best wines from Tucany", which directly compares the wine. Then, if I get my some friends that I trust to vote on the list, BAM!, it's a list of superior quality for both myself, my friends and visitors to Listnerd. That's our vision. We're not there yet, but we're working on it - hence this Hacker News post.

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#117

Hey! I just want to say, this is awesome and I wish you the best of luck. I am a Developer and I noticed a few really concerning things in your CSS: 1. I believe you're committing the greatest CSS Sin: Emulating the DOM structure using nesting. Here is one example: "#site-header.newheader nav>ul>li>a.buttonGreen" That CSS Selector should not exist like that. You shouldn't be using ids (first) and second this should b…

Hey Partyfists,

thank you very much for your answer. You put a lot of effort into it, so I wanted to reply in the same manner :)

The CSS stuff was done by Jesper, one of the founders, that unfortunately left the company. I'll tell him about the CSS issues you address.

As for issues 3-10, I'm noting down all of them in our todo list and I'll address them individually. Thank you for great input! :)

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#118

The colors and font scream "Barney" (like, the old kids TV show). I think they could work if you desaturated one or both of them a bit and went with a font that was a bit less "fun".

Btw just to give a little bit of context, I thought I'd make a small mockup of what I mean: http://imgur.com/XqkMzUB Basically, desaturated the two header colors a lot (still not perfect, but at least maybe it gives some contrast. I also ripped out the orange buttons and the redundant search box because they were garish and really hard to read. I also tweaked the fonts a little bit. (Disclaimer: I am not a profession…

Thank you! :)

Re: We put $200k into a site that sucks. Please destroy us with your criticism

#120

After clicking around on some of the lists to get a sense of what the intended content is, I think it suffers from a little bit of an identity crisis. By which I mean that the base, bottom-feeding type lists are already supremely well-covered by every other slideshow/listicle media property (Buzzfeed, the "suggested" stories at the bottom of every news site), so it would probably be difficult to attract any meaningfu…

Thank you.
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