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Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by aeflash »

erikano wrote: post #84
ColinWright wrote: post #3

From Google translate ... Peter Sunde arrested in Skåne One of the brains behind the file sharing site The Pirate Bay has been arrested. Peter Sunde, 35, was arrested today in a raid in southern Sweden. - He has been on the run since 2012 , says Carolina Ekéus , press contact at NCIS . Rikskriminalen state that Peter Sunde has been wanted by Interpol and that he is now arrested. - He was arrested for him to serve a p…

Off topic, but I just wanted to point out that Google Translate is really great. The quality of this translation is probably better than many human non-professional-translators would write.

I think Swedish to English is pretty easy to do automatically to some satisfaction -- there are a lot of similarities in grammar and most words have direct translations. Chinese to English or Japanese to English with that level of clarity would be much more impressive.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by jakejake »

Zigurd wrote: post #75
jakejake wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have my own feelings about it which that it is not really theft, but perhaps it is worth considering that the work of musicians and artists is devalued. I hear a lot of rationalization about how the artists don't get any money anyway, but I personally think that is a separate issue from sharing music. It's an interesting question, especially when you mention software. Because here on HN and other forums I get the i…

This is just a mishmash of sentiments. Calling out a ripoff site design as unethical is very different that siccing the police on the people who made a torrent index. Start complaining about hypocrisy when someone goes to prison fro a GPL violation.

I find both examples unethical. However, I never expressed an opinion on the unfairness of their prosecution. You argue a point that I never made. I don't think they should be treated like murders and neither should a GPL infraction. The degree of punishment is a different issue from whether or not I agree with what they're doing. I don't find that mishmash at all and if you do then that's your own problem.

You do have a unique opportunity to support TPB, though, as all of your books are available there. Maybe you should put your money where your mouth is and replace your amazon links in your profile with TPB links.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by fidelar »

kryptiskt wrote: post #57
jacquesm wrote: post #48

Very clever to arrest him after the elections. Before the elections this would have been a much bigger issue and possibly would have gained votes for the Swedish Pirate Party resulting in more seats in the European Parliament for them.

Why would the police give two shits about the EU election? I don't know what corrupt hellhole you are from, but Sweden doesn't work like that. Not that it would have been an issue. The Pirate Bay trial is old news and it's hardly a major scandal that a convicted man has to serve his time. As it is, the Pirate Party was wiped out and were far from getting a seat.

Around the same time the US started passing file sharing laws and the monitoring laws allowing the police extended measures when the crime had something to do with national security, Sweden started passing almost identical file sharing laws, and around the same time the FRA law passed. The previous decade or so has seen several judical measures that have been heavily influenced by politics. (From sweden myself)

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

kybernetyk wrote: post #16
ArcticCelt wrote: post #7

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Can he just fill for bankruptcy to clear the damages?

If swedish bankruptcy law is anything similar to the German then he possibly can not. (Liabilities resulting from criminal action are not covered by bankruptcy laws.)

We have something like that here in the United States... bankruptcy won't clear student loans.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

codeshaman wrote: post #45
waynecochran wrote: post #19

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Not trying to be a troll, but aren't these people essentially supporting theivery on a massive scale? I've never understood why so much of the Internet community thinks downloading software and/or movies that is meant to be paid for is ok.

You mean watching movies for free is illegal ? Here are some considerations: - It is legal to watch movies for free on TV, as long as you accept to be brainwashed by advertising. - It is legal to lend your DVD to your friend and it's legal for him to give it to his friend and his friend and so on. - It is legal to bring 90 friends to your house and watch the movie together. Each of them can then borrow the DVD and in…

> It is legal to bring 90 friends to your house and watch the movie together.

Technically it is not legal to do this. At that point, you're putting on a "public performance", and they may indeed sue you.

Where is the line at which "having a few friends over to watch the game" a public performance? It's up to the NFL's lawyers and the corrupt judges that decades of copyright cartel lobbyists have schmoozed.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by jakejake »

belorn wrote: post #108
jakejake wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have my own feelings about it which that it is not really theft, but perhaps it is worth considering that the work of musicians and artists is devalued. I hear a lot of rationalization about how the artists don't get any money anyway, but I personally think that is a separate issue from sharing music. It's an interesting question, especially when you mention software. Because here on HN and other forums I get the i…

Every time someone talks about piracy, someone just have to bring up GPL. GPL says: Do what ever you want with the program so long no one become restricted by your actions. If you patch it and send a proprietary version to someone, it will still be the same program. The difference will be the added restriction. The software license only uses copyright to enforce a "share, and share alike" concept. Using copyright to…

I'm not 100% sure your point but if you release work under the GPL then yes, you are giving people explicit permission to copy and share your work under those conditions. But, to use that as an example, if you enjoy pirating music and movies then, to be consistent, I feel you should also support violating the terms of the GPL and all other licenses. In other words, you should not be upset when for-profit companies use GPL code and do not give back or comply with the GPL conditions. Because if you do feel that the idea of licenses and intellectual property are bullshit, then everyone should just be able to ignore them and do whatever they want. As long as someone can get their hands on the code then they should be able to do whatever they want with it.

I think that's a messed up attitude personally, but at least it is a consistent attitude towards intellectual property. I could respect somebody for being consistent in their attitude - especially if they themselves are also having their work pirated. Anybody who is pirating music and movies, but they themselves do not tolerate disobeying the license terms of their own work I feel is a hypocrite.

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by rurban »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #115
codeshaman wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean watching movies for free is illegal ? Here are some considerations: - It is legal to watch movies for free on TV, as long as you accept to be brainwashed by advertising. - It is legal to lend your DVD to your friend and it's legal for him to give it to his friend and his friend and so on. - It is legal to bring 90 friends to your house and watch the movie together. Each of them can then borrow the DVD and in…

> It is legal to bring 90 friends to your house and watch the movie together. Technically it is not legal to do this. At that point, you're putting on a "public performance", and they may indeed sue you. Where is the line at which "having a few friends over to watch the game" a public performance? It's up to the NFL's lawyers and the corrupt judges that decades of copyright cartel lobbyists have schmoozed.

The limit is 15. Around this number

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by paulhauggis »

clarry wrote: post #26
waynecochran wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not trying to be a troll, but aren't these people essentially supporting theivery on a massive scale? I've never understood why so much of the Internet community thinks downloading software and/or movies that is meant to be paid for is ok.

Sharing is at worst a victimless crime. At best.. well I don't know about best but I'd say something about living in the future where we have the technological means to give people anything they need or want. That if something is wealth. And progress. Thievery is an inappropriate description of making copies.

I seem to remember a huge debate we had right here on HN regarding Wordpress themes a year or so ago. A commercial theme provider had included GNU code and was not redistributing the original source (or offering their altered source under the GNU license).

The vast majority of comments regarded this as outright theft.

If I make copies of your personal data (credit card info, address, name, SSN) and pass it around the Internet, is it a victim-less crime? I'm merely making copies of bits onto a webpage (the other effects shouldn't matter..according to your logic).

The real victims are the people put out of work due to rampant piracy of software and anything else digital. Information wants to be free. Just don't come looking for me to foot the bill when the unemployment rate increases and people are calling for things like basic income.

I'm honestly tired of the "everything should be free" mantra coupled with "We can't figure out why there are no more jobs left..it must be the greedy companies!!! durr!!"

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by thaumasiotes »

belorn wrote: post #92
funkyy wrote: post #80

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I think you need to do your research. Those guys are pretty packed. Their DC alone is money making like crazy. I know few folks that actually used their hosting services ~2 years ago - their pricing is among highest in industry. Also they have dozens of small projects running. TPB is running ads etc - what would be cost of running, 10 dedicated servers? And what would be the income? Around few hundred thousands?

I assume you got tax records to support that PRQ is earning money like crazy? I am going to assume that the tax collectors know their job and is not letting a crazy revenue source continue going untaxed. For TPB advertisement, do you have numbers on how competitive advertisement space is for a website like the pirate bay? Would startups here forexample be willing to pay top dollars for ads there? Willing to use untra…

What's the point of using untraceable methods to pay for advertising? Won't your name be right there in the ad?

Re: Peter Sunde arrested in Sweden

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Post by mpyne »

Zigurd wrote: post #99
mpyne wrote: post #91

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Many of the arguments you use could be just as easily used to allow GPL works to be derived from and distributed in ways against the license. How do you reconcile that?

D'Oh! How could I miss that that's totally the same, right down to the draconian fines, prison sentences, and SWAT raids.

So if the penalties were reduced to the same penalties for GPL violations, you'd be all for it?
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