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Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Looks good, but I was expecting a screen with the same specs as Google's Chromebook Pixel. I understand that, beyond a certain point, pixel density ceases to be relevant, but the different numbers mean this is a different part. Now, I wonder how good would Linux support be. Also, weighting a keyboardless tablet with a MacBook air is disingenuous at best.

According to the press release it is less than the 11" macbook air too.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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I know you're not being serious, but there are some other terminal apps that are better than the basic DOS prompt. Check out ConEmu, for example. Now, once you've got ConEmu or something like it that will resize nicely and do other things, you'll still be stuck on the crappy DOS-style prompt though. :)

Also checkout Cmder ( http://bliker.github.io/cmder/ ) for a pre-customised ConEmu that bundles several useful UNIX commands. Plus ConEmu supports Quake-style dropdown that has radically improved my work-flow on Windows. Also Powershell is pretty awesome if you take the time out to learn it.

This. ConEmu combined with cmd/msys/cygwin/powershell is as close to a proper unix terminal app one can get. I actually find ConEmu itself better than the corresponding Gnome/KDE/Xfce/OsX applications.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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12" portrait is the right size for working with Word documents and PDFs.

Well, 14" would be better for letter-sized documents, but 12" is tolerably close to right.

Do you print your letters on US Legal or something like that?

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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You bought a used laptop which is slower, no touch screen, digitizer, pen, Windows 8, SSD, etc. That's like comparing an old Blackberry to the iPhone 5. There's really no reason to try and compare them.

I don't use a touch screen or a pen. It's fully supported on windows 8 and I stuck my Samsung 840 Pro in it. It does however have a decent keyboard, a trackpoint, 3G card, a service reputation and a bomb proof chassis. All of which reduce the ownership risk and make my day slightly better.

plus 150 quid... That's about 100 dollars cheaper than what I can find in the states with those specs. Additionally if a part fails, MUCH easier to fix.

Comparing apples to oranges as both devices serve a moderately different purpose. Mainly body position while using them (Laying flat and using my finger directly on the screen to read books and watch movies or sitting up and using my finger on the keyboard to read books and watch movies).

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Small things continue to kill the surface pro acceptance: - The Surface site on the surface site hasn't updated with surface pro 3 info/pricing. The run way for this is long, why isn't the site updated or ready to go? - Accessories are notoriously out of stock. Why are they hard to get? Docking station, keyboards, mice. Fix that. - The dock has 10/100 Ethernet. In 2013-2014? Why? - Updates for firmware and drivers as…

The dock has 10/100 Ethernet. In 2013-2014? Why?

Can any of the onboard hardware actually handle a 1Gbit firehose? 100Mbit is enough for any streaming you could throw at this thing.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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I'm rooting for MS. My (not so serious) test for windows is simple: the day I can resize dos command prompt as easily as terminal windows on linux/osx is the day Microsoft I need to seriously consider going back to windows :)

I think you're going to live forever disappointed. The command prompt shell is one of those programs that just doesn't get updated and/or any new features. Like notepad.exe, there are so many easy things they could do to make it actually _useful_, but won't.

Not disagreeing, but I suspect notepad.exe is the way it is for a reason - it's the Windows equivalent of vi, the thing you use to try to recover when everything else is falling to pieces. As such, it doesn't and shouldn't have dependencies on anything that isn't absolutely essential.

I believe Task Manager eschews the common control library and reimplements a lot of UI stuff itself. Same reason.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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I'm starting to see more and more Surface devices in my area. It seems to be getting popular with the Starbuck's salesguy crowd who need something as compact as a tablet, but they can use real applications on. I know that's kind of cliche, but you don't really "get" that meaning until you walk into a coffee shop and see 2 or 3 people sitting around with tablets sticking up on the tables. The Android and iPad guys are…

In my experience I'm the iPad guy hacking away at code over SFTP or using my iPad for server admin over SSH and most Surface users I spot at coffee shops are using the keyboard as a stand and streaming video. Most iPad users are doing the same thing, or surfing, but I never see a Surface user not using a table-top to hold their tablet. I've seen people walking-and-laptop, walk-and-iPad, walk-and-Nexus, but never walk…

Which makes sense - it seems to be aimed at getting typical desktop-style work done. You don't usually do that while walking around.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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And then there's the ARM version, which manages to not have the single best feature of Windows: the outstanding backwards compatibility. A very weird decision. Maybe they'll kill it with the 3rd gen.

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The problem is it WASN'T $300 cheaper. It was initially priced at iPad levels. It got heavily discounted for a while, but the initial run was positioned as an iPad competitor, not a low end disruptor. Which was crazy given the lack of apps to start.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Microsoft needs to keep at it. While this iteration is great, the platform will not flourish if they falter or take a release cycle off. Consistent upgrades to the Surface hardware, and support of the developer community is key to winning the overall tablet war for MS.

While it's great to see Microsoft innovating like this and pushing their product aggressively forward, it must really chafe with their OEM community. Why would you buy some clunky classic notebook when you can get a Surface 3 for virtually the same price? It's basically impossible for OEMs to compete when Microsoft can include Windows for free and they have to pay a premium to bundle it.

This new surface starts at $799 which puts it clearly in thee mid-range notebook market where there are plenty of compelling alternative laptops, many of which sport clearly superior hardware. Bump it up to an i5 or i7 and I'm sure the price will be north of $1K.

The premium paid here is the form factor and it's related features so the comparison to traditional laptops isn't valid (even if MS is making it). Maybe if you're cross shopping svelte, premium laptops the Surface 3 would be an option, but not for someone looking for a $400 i3 Windows laptop.

Re: Microsoft announces the Surface Pro 3

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Well, 14" would be better for letter-sized documents, but 12" is tolerably close to right.

Do you print your letters on US Legal or something like that?

> Do you print your letters on US Legal or something like that?

No, "letter size" was a reference to US Letter, which is 8.5"x11", which has a 13.9" diagonal, so a 14" screen would be about right (a little small for a 100% display if it is 3:2, because US Letter has a 1.29:1 aspect ratio rather than 1.5:1.)

US Legal is 8.5"x14" which is closer to 3:2 (1.65:1) but also 16.4" diagonal.

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