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Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by [deleted] »

eli wrote: post #45
kijin wrote: post #40

As others have pointed out, IE6 isn't dead yet. Any person or business that is stubborn enough to use IE6 nowadays is probably also stubborn enough to keep using Windows XP for another year or ten. And I'm afraid a lot of us have been complicit in the unusually long life of this dreadful monster, as well as of its just-as-dreadful offspring, IE8. By "us" I mean everyone who has ever developed a website in the last fe…

> If we really want to kill IE[6-8], we need to do something more drastic, and do so with extreme prejudice. How about we all agree upon a certain date on which we intentionally break our websites and services for IE6 users? Maybe for a blog, but I'm not telling 10%+ of my customers to piss off. If the cost of supporting them outweighs the value of their business then I won't support them any more. But I would never…

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Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by aidos »

metadept wrote: post #91
eli wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If we really want to kill IE[6-8], we need to do something more drastic, and do so with extreme prejudice. How about we all agree upon a certain date on which we intentionally break our websites and services for IE6 users? Maybe for a blog, but I'm not telling 10%+ of my customers to piss off. If the cost of supporting them outweighs the value of their business then I won't support them any more. But I would never…

While it's certainly a good general policy to not abandon significant segments of your user base, this is not a conflict of user ignorance vs developer laziness. The real question is whether preserving IE6-8 functionality is actually a good way to serve your customers. The resources you dedicate to retaining that 10% might be better used to improve your service for the other 90%. Focusing on modern browsers will also…

As ever, it totally depends on the client base.

I'd suggest that most organisations that only had to support 10% IE6 use in the past have already actively made the decision not to support it any longer (I know that happened a couple of years ago for all the orgs I was working with).

For other companies, their customers are 90% on IE6. I know that's a hole of their own making, but in some cases it's a massive undertaking to dig out of. There's money to be made in supporting those guys :)

Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by astrodust »

eli wrote: post #45
kijin wrote: post #40

As others have pointed out, IE6 isn't dead yet. Any person or business that is stubborn enough to use IE6 nowadays is probably also stubborn enough to keep using Windows XP for another year or ten. And I'm afraid a lot of us have been complicit in the unusually long life of this dreadful monster, as well as of its just-as-dreadful offspring, IE8. By "us" I mean everyone who has ever developed a website in the last fe…

> If we really want to kill IE[6-8], we need to do something more drastic, and do so with extreme prejudice. How about we all agree upon a certain date on which we intentionally break our websites and services for IE6 users? Maybe for a blog, but I'm not telling 10%+ of my customers to piss off. If the cost of supporting them outweighs the value of their business then I won't support them any more. But I would never…

Have you run metrics to see what the ROI on your IE6 support is?

Do you know what percentage of your revenue these customers generate?

Maybe it's 10% of your user base, but 0% of your profits. Or 50%. You won't know until you run the numbers.

Re: IE6 is dead

#114

Post by Aardwolf »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #52

Actually, XP has a shorter life-span time here in Belgium (online banking activities are blocked for Windows XP), so people actually buy a newer PC or upgrade their PC for a newer Windows.

Alternatively they could change the user agent?

Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by astrodust »

dictum wrote: post #13
masukomi wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We run a SAAS app. We recently saw IE4 in our logs. Not a single one of our customers has upgraded past IE8. IE6 is alive and well in many large companies.

Consider the possibility that someone was playing with old browsers.

Windows 2000, maybe?

Anything that runs IE4 by default is well past end-of-life and is probably riddled with viruses.

Re: IE6 is dead

#116

Post by Bootvis »

NKCSS wrote: post #20
Bootvis wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it is off XP life support now.

The Dutch government recently signed a contact to have MS keep supporting XP with security updates, so it's not dead at all.

Yes, so I'm actually paying for the life support :(

Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by troymc »

kijin wrote: post #40

As others have pointed out, IE6 isn't dead yet. Any person or business that is stubborn enough to use IE6 nowadays is probably also stubborn enough to keep using Windows XP for another year or ten. And I'm afraid a lot of us have been complicit in the unusually long life of this dreadful monster, as well as of its just-as-dreadful offspring, IE8. By "us" I mean everyone who has ever developed a website in the last fe…

Some may say you're a dreamer

But you're not the only one

Re: IE6 is dead

#118

Post by a3n »

stefs wrote: post #4

the second badge at the bottom (the small one) has its own countdown timer. seems there's an off-by-one-month bug. (i always wondered why some libraries treat jan as 0 but the first day of the month as 1)

Total guess, maybe 1 is thought of subconsciously in the implementers minds as a name, while number for months are so unlike the month name that they're thought of more like an index.

Re: IE6 is dead

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Post by choult »

astrodust wrote: post #113
eli wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If we really want to kill IE[6-8], we need to do something more drastic, and do so with extreme prejudice. How about we all agree upon a certain date on which we intentionally break our websites and services for IE6 users? Maybe for a blog, but I'm not telling 10%+ of my customers to piss off. If the cost of supporting them outweighs the value of their business then I won't support them any more. But I would never…

Have you run metrics to see what the ROI on your IE6 support is? Do you know what percentage of your revenue these customers generate? Maybe it's 10% of your user base, but 0% of your profits. Or 50%. You won't know until you run the numbers.

You might also like to run metrics as to how those same IE6 users evangelize your service. They might be really good at word of mouth, or at recommending other enterprise-level customers in via the golf course.

Or - more realistically - you could actually consider 10% of your customers a large, valuable chunk whatever the ROI and accommodate them.

Your choice.

Re: IE6 is dead

#120

Post by syncsynchalt »

kijin wrote: post #40

As others have pointed out, IE6 isn't dead yet. Any person or business that is stubborn enough to use IE6 nowadays is probably also stubborn enough to keep using Windows XP for another year or ten. And I'm afraid a lot of us have been complicit in the unusually long life of this dreadful monster, as well as of its just-as-dreadful offspring, IE8. By "us" I mean everyone who has ever developed a website in the last fe…

To be fair, IE8 is not nearly as bad as IE6. Most of what IE8 is missing degrades gracefully or can be shimmed, and to be honest my biggest complaints with it are the sorry debugging tools and its JS speed, both of which were within an order of magnitude of the state of the art at the time of its release.
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