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Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Post by ben336 »

davidgerard wrote: post #56
untog wrote: post #9

The choice of Eich as a CEO also made me wonder - they took a year to find a CEO, and ended up with their own CTO. Is it fair to assume that they searched long and hard but couldn't find anyone? If so, that's a real shame. I want Mozilla to succeed.

To be fair, Eich lives and breathes Mozilla and the mission, and is basically the perfect choice for CEO ... except for his political actions being so toxic to the brand that other nonprofits issue a press release to say they're boycotting Firefox over it: http://gaynewsnetwork.com.au/news/victoria/vac-gmhc-to-boyco...

Just out of curiousity would you say that voting for Prop 8 would have been equally politically toxic? Since that would eliminate 52% of Californian voters from 2008. I recognize that a donation is different than a vote, but I want to understand the mindset here.

Can you really say that a political opinion that was apparently held by over half of the states voters at the time can disqualify someone from leading a company? Especially since there appears to not be a single other piece of evidence against his character? (seems it would have popped up by now)

Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Post by desireco42 »

jbeja wrote: post #91
desireco42 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you who downvote should go out of the closet, it is not everything about gay rights, there is life beyond that

"there is life beyond that", yeah and i would love to live it with the same rights as you. Cheers

and this is excellent example of tolerance you desire :)

Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Post by [deleted] »

KuraFire wrote: post #40
blisterpeanuts wrote: post #32

This article links to an earlier WSJ piece that gives more information about Eich's background ( http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/03/24/mozilla-picks-insider... ). He invented Javascript in 1995, co-founded Mozilla, and helped start Firefox. It seems to me he's very well qualified from a historical as well as technical perspective. Questions about his mobile expertise seem misplaced, considering that his technical co…

It's not really a litmus test. Mozilla is an organization that prides itself on openness and equality, on being inclusive as an organization and a culture. This is reflected in its products, in many different ways—all of them good, generally speaking. The CEO is the figurehead of a company or organization; they have to represent the company, establish its culture, define its vision, and so forth and so forth. Having…

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Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Post by lotsofmangos »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #88
crassus wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a conservative-ish person in tech, I'm glad I made the decision to hide my politics beginning a few years ago. You people are vicious. I'd love to have an open debate or conversation, but that doesn't seem to be your game. Our culture is in middle of making unprecedented changes to a core social institution that goes back into prehistory. It's going to be a messy process and some people are going to disagree. That…

Our culture is in middle of making unprecedented changes to a core social institution that goes back into prehistory. Did you trade some goats for your wife? If not, then gee, I guess we've already made unprecedented changes to a core social institution.

Yes. And I miss them.

Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Post by jswinghammer »

llamataboot wrote: post #100
snogglethorpe wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does a (relatively small) monetary donation really deserve to be called a "toxic political action"...?

What about a relatively small donation to the KKK or a neo-Nazi party? The issue isn't the size of the donation but taking a public stance in support of bigotry.

Given that such a donation would change the matter entirely your point isn't relevant. There is a massive number of people in this country that support his position (note: I'm not one of them). Calling them all bigots is a cheap way out of having actual conversations.

Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Post by 8_hours_ago »

snogglethorpe wrote: post #69
davidgerard wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, Eich lives and breathes Mozilla and the mission, and is basically the perfect choice for CEO ... except for his political actions being so toxic to the brand that other nonprofits issue a press release to say they're boycotting Firefox over it: http://gaynewsnetwork.com.au/news/victoria/vac-gmhc-to-boyco...

Does a (relatively small) monetary donation really deserve to be called a "toxic political action"...?

In this case, yes. I would argue that any political action that has caused this much fallout can be classified as "toxic". Whether or not said political action actually deserves to be toxic is a separate topic.

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Post by gocarsno »

TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #98
grannyg00se wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people are against same sex marriage for various reasons but aren't necessarily against homosexuality or LGBT. More specifically, Brendan has publicly indicated that he intends to actively pursue equality throughout the organization[1]. So people seem to be calling him a liar with no evidence. And they're also bullying him solely based on his beliefs, rather than his actions. [1] https://brendaneich.com/2014…

They might not be "against homosexuality", but their reasons are usually still homophobic.

Key word: usually. If there is a reasonable way to reconcile opposition to gay marriage with acceptance of gays, then we ought to give the opponents the benefit of the doubt before ostracizing them. And I'm pretty sure there is such a way.

Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Post by mynameishere »

llamataboot wrote: post #100
snogglethorpe wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does a (relatively small) monetary donation really deserve to be called a "toxic political action"...?

What about a relatively small donation to the KKK or a neo-Nazi party? The issue isn't the size of the donation but taking a public stance in support of bigotry.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/25/politics/supreme-court-preview...

President Barack Obama once believed marriage only was for one man and one woman.

Was Obama once a supporter of the KKK? Do you people seriously not realize that gay "marriage" has been concocted into a moral imperative only very recently by the media? And that just a few years ago, not only was opposing it not bigotry, but being in support of it was completely loony tunes?

Re: Three Mozilla Board Members Resign over Choice of New CEO

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Post by jswinghammer »

camus2 wrote: post #81
crassus wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a conservative-ish person in tech, I'm glad I made the decision to hide my politics beginning a few years ago. You people are vicious. I'd love to have an open debate or conversation, but that doesn't seem to be your game. Our culture is in middle of making unprecedented changes to a core social institution that goes back into prehistory. It's going to be a messy process and some people are going to disagree. That…

> Our culture is in middle of making unprecedented > changes to a core social institution that goes back > into prehistory. Homosexuality was not a big deal during Ancient History. Then came Christianity and its obscurantism, shaming everything that was not in the good book for the sake of control. Our culture is going back to its roots paganism and greek heritage it's a long way since the Renaissance.

Citation needed.
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