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Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by mgedmin »

rufugee wrote: post #70
paulyg wrote: post #35

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For those complaining about the alt-tab thing maybe you don't know about alt-`. Alt-` cycles through windows/instances of the current app! I just learned about it two days ago and I've been using gnome 3 for a year (there is a lesson in there, why was this not publicized more?). On a more general note put me in the camp that feels gnome is getting better and better every release. I like what they have done with the h…

Yeah, I do know that. What I don't like about alt+tab is that it doesn't respect virtual workspaces. I use workspaces to group windows I'm working on at a particular moment, but alt+tab shows applications across all workspaces, and switches between those. Might as well not even have workspaces with this behavior.

There's a switch to turn that off in gnome-tweak-tool.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by mgedmin »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #57

There are many annoyances in these new unfinished desktops, but one I miss the most was the Gnome2 clock applet. A must if you have people in other timezones: http://i.stack.imgur.com/1Ftcd.png Note the map with day/night marked. Allows one at a glance to figure out if it is a reasonable time to make contact. I've managed to get a version almost as good on a Saucy laptop, but now Locations doesn't stay open by defaul…

I miss the world clock too :(

I wonder how hard it would be to write an extension.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by Avshalom »

tenfingers wrote: post #109

Gnome is a perfect example of what designing with too much sense for aesthetics and no usage experience looks like. It's nice looking, yes. On the surface things seem to be good enough. But start using the software, and discover how little though most of the features have been given. Window cycling is one thing, but the issues go _way_ deeper than that. Small examples come from the file open/save dialog being into "R…

recent mode is absolutely awful. Especially in save.

Also the lack of Delete/Rename means you can fuck something up (new directory) but can't fix it with out opening up a file browser, a problem that been known since 2.x days but no one has gotten around to fixing because apparently you have to go add support for it into gvfs then add the feature into the file picker.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by zanny »

massysett wrote: post #74
zanny wrote: post #67

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As a user and contributor to KDE, it is as ugly or as beautiful as you want to make it. I find the default skins in Suse / Manjaro KDE to be pretty good, of course there is still huge room for improvement and hopefully the design group makes kde5 look less 1990s beige office box. It isn't any heavier than Windows. Hell, anything is lighter than Windows, and Vista has been running on almost every PC since 2005. So I'm…

"rolling release just makes so much more sense in every use case" Oh my goodness, no. Rolling release requires that I be prepared to deal with breakage any time I install anything from the repos (because, as Arch says, "partial upgrades are not supported", as a practical matter I have to update everything before installing anything.) Breakage is also a routine possibility any time I install security updates. I also h…

> requires that I be prepared to deal with breakage any time I install anything

This is a failing of an improperly tested update, not of the model. You do need to beat all the possible glitches out of updates as they come in some testing repo, but if you do and you can deliver rock solid iterative updates it is the natural way to keep a system up to date.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by sampo »

astn wrote: post #87
shimon_e wrote: post #15

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He means stuff like minimize and maximize.

You can do both in gnome without any tweaking.

After I maximize, and check something in the window, I really like to be able to minimize without moving the mouse. One needs a panel with window buttons for this.

Yes, Gnome has panel addons, but they are ugly and rudimentary, and can only be placed at the bottom of the screen.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by andor »

tenfingers wrote: post #109

Gnome is a perfect example of what designing with too much sense for aesthetics and no usage experience looks like. It's nice looking, yes. On the surface things seem to be good enough. But start using the software, and discover how little though most of the features have been given. Window cycling is one thing, but the issues go _way_ deeper than that. Small examples come from the file open/save dialog being into "R…

but of course there's no such fine-tuning in gtk3

The startup-mode was apparently brought back in Gnome 3.10.

https://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2012-November/m...

https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/tree/gtk/org.gtk.Settings....

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by rufugee »

mgedmin wrote: post #111
rufugee wrote: post #70

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Yeah, I do know that. What I don't like about alt+tab is that it doesn't respect virtual workspaces. I use workspaces to group windows I'm working on at a particular moment, but alt+tab shows applications across all workspaces, and switches between those. Might as well not even have workspaces with this behavior.

There's a switch to turn that off in gnome-tweak-tool.

Which tab? I can't seem to find this.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by rufugee »

vertex-four wrote: post #103
rufugee wrote: post #70

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Yeah, I do know that. What I don't like about alt+tab is that it doesn't respect virtual workspaces. I use workspaces to group windows I'm working on at a particular moment, but alt+tab shows applications across all workspaces, and switches between those. Might as well not even have workspaces with this behavior.

It seems that everyone has their own opinion of how alt+tab should work. Personally, I have the AlternateTab extension[0] installed, which has a configuration option to allow switching between windows within a single workspace, rather than across all workspaces. There's also several other similar extensions, each implementing their own behaviour depending on what you want.

I believe I did try that and couldn't get it to work the way I hoped. However, maybe I'm wrong...will try it again.

Thanks, John

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Post by donniezazen »

mgedmin wrote: post #110
donniezazen wrote: post #76

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After having switched to KDE from Gnome, I can say Gnome Shell does hurt productivity. One example would be, Nautilus can't be split into two panes. When I have to move a bunch of files from one folder to another, on Gnome it would require right-click copy and then open the folder and then right-click-paste. Whereas on KDE, it merely means drag and drop. It will even ask you, if you want to move or copy, that could c…

You get split Nautilus windows in GNOME the same way you get split anything windows: tile the window to the left (Super+Left or drag window until mouse touches the left screen edge), open new Nautilus window, tile it to the right (Super+Right or draw window until mouse touches the right screen edge). Presto.

Instructions to split a window in KDE.

   click split
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