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Re: Firefox 28 Release Notes

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Post by hobohacker »

wbond wrote: post #102
hobohacker wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's a fair assessment that supporting experimental technologies requires more engineering resources. Everyone has to do the cost/benefit analysis themselves.

You seem intent on arguing about something I have never contested. I just made the (implied) observation that anyone deploying nginx shouldn't even bother enabling spdy in 1.4 (stable) because effectively nothing will use it anymore. It was something that people who use "stable" software were able to benefit from starting in May 2013, but it is now no longer and won't be again until nginx reaches 1.6. That is, unless…

Er, I thought I was agreeing with you. What do you think I'm arguing? To be clear, I view these two statements as grounded in the same logic, although perhaps one is more strongly worded than the other:

Yours - "So unless someone has the resources to test and deploy unstable web servers, it effectively means you shouldn't bother with spdy at this point."

Mine - "I think it's a fair assessment that supporting experimental technologies requires more engineering resources. Everyone has to do the cost/benefit analysis themselves."

Re: Firefox 28 Release Notes

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Post by danudey »

kibwen wrote: post #82
k-mcgrady wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One major (okay maybe not that major but an important factor in my decision) issue for me with Australis is the separate boxes for URLs and search. Every other browser merged them and I don't know of any reason to keep them separate - is there one?

Personally, my reason for preferring them separate is that I use the address bar to search my browsing history, which doesn't work if it's cluttered up with search results and prior search history.

The perfect examples I use for this: when I'm trying to use a local hostname from my hosts file (e.g. 'devserver') and it googles it unless I type http:// in front, or when I'm trying to google an IP address and I have to go to the Google home page first.

Re: Firefox 28 Release Notes

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Post by derefr »

rch wrote: post #95
enscr wrote: post #20

Eagerly waiting to ditch Chrome & its forced notifications. Perhaps with Australis (Firefox 29), the UI would be at par. Edit : Chrome feels subtle, lighter & perceptually faster (specifically : tabs, scrollbars). Although after updating Firefox today, I can notice that there's improvement in Firefox.

The first thing I look for in a browser is a way to switch through tabs in last-used order. If doesn't work out of the box, then I personally don't have a reason to investigate further. If this was a checkbox feature in Chrome (or Firefox, whichever's first), I'd probably never try anything else.

Can you explain why you want window manager features in your browser? If you use windows-in-a-virtual-desktop instead of tabs-in-a-window, they're LRU by default on pretty much every OS.

Re: Firefox 28 Release Notes

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Post by wbond »

barkingcat wrote: post #105
wbond wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem intent on arguing about something I have never contested. I just made the (implied) observation that anyone deploying nginx shouldn't even bother enabling spdy in 1.4 (stable) because effectively nothing will use it anymore. It was something that people who use "stable" software were able to benefit from starting in May 2013, but it is now no longer and won't be again until nginx reaches 1.6. That is, unless…

I think for people who actually want spdy3 support, they will evaluate whether nginx 1.5 is stable enough for them. Stable is just a word, and unless it's a straightjacket "stable or nothing" culture you're referring to, yes people will have to make their own decisions about whether 1.5 is stable enough for their needs. As the posts below, "mainline" is considered stable enough for production. A rose by any other nam…

Well, the difference is that breaking changes are made to 1.5 so when a security update comes out (like today) you have to do regression testing instead of just grabbing and building the latest version.

Re: Firefox 28 Release Notes

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Post by wbond »

hobohacker wrote: post #111
wbond wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem intent on arguing about something I have never contested. I just made the (implied) observation that anyone deploying nginx shouldn't even bother enabling spdy in 1.4 (stable) because effectively nothing will use it anymore. It was something that people who use "stable" software were able to benefit from starting in May 2013, but it is now no longer and won't be again until nginx reaches 1.6. That is, unless…

Er, I thought I was agreeing with you. What do you think I'm arguing? To be clear, I view these two statements as grounded in the same logic, although perhaps one is more strongly worded than the other: Yours - "So unless someone has the resources to test and deploy unstable web servers, it effectively means you shouldn't bother with spdy at this point." Mine - "I think it's a fair assessment that supporting experime…

Let me rephrase then:

Don't even bother building nginx 1.4 with spdy support or configuring it since no one can use it. From May 2013 until now there was a benefit to end-users. There no longer is.

If you want to provide the speed benefits of spdy to users, you now need to run unstable nginx or mod_spdy.

Re: Firefox 28 Release Notes

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Post by nklo »

rch wrote: post #95
enscr wrote: post #20

Eagerly waiting to ditch Chrome & its forced notifications. Perhaps with Australis (Firefox 29), the UI would be at par. Edit : Chrome feels subtle, lighter & perceptually faster (specifically : tabs, scrollbars). Although after updating Firefox today, I can notice that there's improvement in Firefox.

The first thing I look for in a browser is a way to switch through tabs in last-used order. If doesn't work out of the box, then I personally don't have a reason to investigate further. If this was a checkbox feature in Chrome (or Firefox, whichever's first), I'd probably never try anything else.

Actually, this feature works out of the box in Firefox. You just need to turn it on by changing browser.ctrlTab.previews value to true in about:config.

Re: Firefox 28 Release Notes

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Post by bhassel »

kibwen wrote: post #82
k-mcgrady wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One major (okay maybe not that major but an important factor in my decision) issue for me with Australis is the separate boxes for URLs and search. Every other browser merged them and I don't know of any reason to keep them separate - is there one?

Personally, my reason for preferring them separate is that I use the address bar to search my browsing history, which doesn't work if it's cluttered up with search results and prior search history.

You can add special characters to your address bar search to restrict it to only browsing history, or bookmarks, etc. There is a list of them here: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/awesome-bar-find-your-b...

For example, "^ hacker news" will only search your history, and "* hacker news" only in your bookmarks.

Re: Firefox 28 Release Notes

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Post by rch »

nklo wrote: post #117
rch wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first thing I look for in a browser is a way to switch through tabs in last-used order. If doesn't work out of the box, then I personally don't have a reason to investigate further. If this was a checkbox feature in Chrome (or Firefox, whichever's first), I'd probably never try anything else.

Actually, this feature works out of the box in Firefox. You just need to turn it on by changing browser.ctrlTab.previews value to true in about:config.

Actually, I'm not sure that it does. Or perhaps I'm not adequately describing the behavior I'm looking for. Thanks in any case.

Re: Firefox 28 Release Notes

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Post by davidgerard »

bzbarsky wrote: post #77
davidgerard wrote: post #9

9007199254740992 running in "random" mode with 0ms delay is still way faster in Chromium 32 than in Firefox 28. http://www.csie.ntu.edu.tw/~b01902112/9007199254740992/

Hmm. I see about the same thing with Chrome 35 dev and Firefox (28 or nightly) on Mac here, performance wise.

This was on Xubuntu 14.04 - Chromium was racking up score on random quite a bit faster than Firefox was. This is a squishy benchmark for all sorts of reasons ... but the difference was glaring.
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