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Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by dipth »

apierre wrote: post #91
ekianjo wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean, Europe hasn't even moved over to automatic transmission yet. Haha. 1) Driving automatic cars is so boring. 2) it makes your body unbalanced constantly since you use a single foot, therefore your back will ache over long periods of driving. 3) You cannot adjust your speed as fast with an automatic car, we are stuck with binary controls while manual cars provide all the flexibility you need in real, and criti…

Well driving with an automatic in London traffic jam is much more comfortable than not being able to shift beyond 2nd gear ;-) I have a Golf with a 7 speed DSG gearbox and trust me, in sport mode, you can have amazing and smooth acceleration.

I can confirm that the 7 speed DSG gearbox in the Golf will get you up to speed at an amazing and smooth pace!

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by furyofantares »

lutusp wrote: post #95
baddox wrote: post #89

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He is accidentally technically correct. Saying that "the human brain evolved to do x" implies that evolution has purpose or intention, which is not the case.

> He is accidentally technically correct. Saying that "the human brain evolved to do x" implies that evolution has purpose or intention, which is not the case. But to say that human behavior evolved to meet a specific environmental requirement isn't a purpose, it's an outcome that allowed the genotype to procreate. It's a gray area and one must be careful speaking of goals, but if one is addressing a specific adaptat…

At the current fatality rate among young drivers I wonder how many years it would take us to notice statistically significant genetic changes in the population that could be attributed to automobiles.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by stinos »

arethuza wrote: post #61
archagon wrote: post #43

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Do you seriously think we'll have widespread self-driving cars — and not just the bare bones technology, but ones that we can ride in without any control at all, even while intoxicated — within a timespan short enough for every other advancement in car technology to not matter? I am almost 100% certain that we won't see that kind of thing even within the next few decades, if ever. Self-driving cars have way too many…

"Europe hasn't even moved over to automatic transmission yet" After having a couple of cars with automatic gearboxes (including a 4.4L BMW - so lack of power wasn't the problem) I find that I am much happier with a manual gearbox. NB I'm not resistant to new technology in cars - my current car has automatic parking and I use it a lot and normally leave the lights on auto as well. [Note I am in the UK]

second. I don't know what it is with it exactly, but automatic shifting kills any pleasure in driving I still have. All the ones I tried seem to react to pedal movements too slowly, which I find sometimes even dangerous because I'm not used too it, and I cannot use the engine to do light to intermediate braking anymore.

and normally leave the lights on auto as well.

Why don't you just leave them always on anyway? Or is that not allowed in the UK?

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by t__r »

archagon wrote: post #43
GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

Do you seriously think we'll have widespread self-driving cars — and not just the bare bones technology, but ones that we can ride in without any control at all, even while intoxicated — within a timespan short enough for every other advancement in car technology to not matter? I am almost 100% certain that we won't see that kind of thing even within the next few decades, if ever. Self-driving cars have way too many…

In Europe, virtually every brand and model of car can be bought with an automatic gearbox as well as manual. So it's not that they (the manufacturers) have not moved over yet - it is just that they (the drivers) generally prefer manual.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by bananas »

archagon wrote: post #43
GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

Do you seriously think we'll have widespread self-driving cars — and not just the bare bones technology, but ones that we can ride in without any control at all, even while intoxicated — within a timespan short enough for every other advancement in car technology to not matter? I am almost 100% certain that we won't see that kind of thing even within the next few decades, if ever. Self-driving cars have way too many…

Note: Europe doesn't spectacularly drive through shop windows, through petrol stations and car parks at least 5 times a day though (source: live leak, youtube etc)

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by frade33 »

I am not against the CarPlay itself, which I think would make a great fit in the car dashboard, I am just unconvinced about the phone and message apps? As both are the Number 1 reason for car crashes., so why would they want it in a car dashboard?

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by bananas »

Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #74
Marazan wrote: post #63

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I mean, Europe hasn't even moved over to automatic transmission yet. That's because automatic transmission is the worst and invented by the devil. More seriously, using an automatic transmission results in trade-offs, for instance fuel usage was the historical number 1 sticking point with automatics guzzling up the petrol compared to manuals. Modern engineering has closed that gap but there are still issues related t…

I used to think automatics were horrible (I live in the UK, drove manual for 15 years) then I got one... In terms of fuel economy, isn't it just a matter of time before automatics become as economical (then probably more economical) than manuals? Even without anticipating future events? Driving efficiently feels like something a computer could optimise for and that a human has no natural advantage doing.

You'd think so but I get 7mpg more than the best rated Toyota hybrid which is supposedly the most efficient thing out there.

Bear in mind I drive a 6 year old 1.3L diesel Fiat van converted to a people carrier which is as aerodynamic as a shed. It also has 3 children, a buggy and a pile of crap in it.

Perhaps a computer could optimise this better but I doubt it. The computer and automatic box just goes when you push the pedal down. The driver isn't connected to it and feeling what it's doing and understanding the power curves.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by pedalpete »

emeidi wrote: post #70
pedalpete wrote: post #10

It looks as though this is running your your iPhone, virtualized in your cars built-in display. I'm happily surprised to see Apple go this route, as I suspect/hope I don't have to have an iPhone in order to make use of the cars built-in display. Also, if auto manufacturers are going the virtualized route, their is very little preventing Android/WP/Ubuntu/Firefox/etc. to work just as easily.

"virtualized"? I'd rather call it "mirroring".

Virtualized is the term virtualbox uses to describe how it works, though mirroring may be a better description.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by Marazan »

coldtea wrote: post #104
Marazan wrote: post #63

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I mean, Europe hasn't even moved over to automatic transmission yet. That's because automatic transmission is the worst and invented by the devil. More seriously, using an automatic transmission results in trade-offs, for instance fuel usage was the historical number 1 sticking point with automatics guzzling up the petrol compared to manuals. Modern engineering has closed that gap but there are still issues related t…

For at least 15 years or so, that's just cargo cult BS Europeans who haven't tried automatic transmission cars say.

I drove a new Vauxhall Corsa with automatic transmission a couple of months ago. It was the second worst driving experience of my life.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by interpol_p »

collyw wrote: post #100
annnnd wrote: post #79

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This comment is a bit dismissive. Can you really claim that for iPod, iPhone and iPad? Sure, every invention is based on work of others, but Apple has still made huge improvements on multiple areas.

Marketing and gaining widespread adoption seem to be the areas that Apple excels at. In most cases where something is heralded as "revolutionary" by Apple, it has been done before. Maybe not as well or as polished, but usually it has been done before.

It's pretty hard to see the iPhone and iPad as anything other than a revolution. Similar to how Windows was a revolution in desktop computing (whether you liked it or not).

"Gaining widespread adoption" was never an area Apple was very good at. They were always good at creating consumer-focused PCs. The initial line of MacBooks and iMacs are good examples of this — minuscule user base compared to Windows, but built to Apple's standards of what a computer should be. Their initial aim for the iPhone was to capture 1% of the market, they hardly expected the success they received.

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