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Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by gldalmaso »

Aoyagi wrote: post #16

And again this is extremely one-sided. Propagandistic even. And it makes it to the top of HN. Again. "THE POLICE IS READY TO SHOOT". But she won't say that it's with rubber slugs or that the protesters are throwing molotovs and shooting fireworks (which can deal nasty damage). Rocks are implied, I think. I tried to really dig into the affair, but it's too complicated with both sides corrupt (like it typically happens…

The same phenomena happened in Brazil last year. Right around the climax of the protests, suddenly a couple of too well produced (studio grade) english speaking videos were released aimed at "enlightening" outsiders. The message was also very selective and devoid of content or context.

So take it with a grain of salt, since it seems unclear sponsors are learning to manipulate these kinds of protests into their own agendas. With some measure of success I would also add.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by bonzoq »

dmytrish wrote: post #107
bonzoq wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for this comment. Those people occupying the square in Kyiv are incapable of any form of compromise. They refused to leave government buildings that they occupied, their leaders refused government posts they were offered, and for example recently one of the judges that sentenced protestors to house arrest was shot on the street to death. Why won't they peacefully wait for the next elections which will be in…

They refused because we know worth of our government promises: they can promise everything and then silently beat and murder activists, change their mind and decisions unpredictably (Europe learned that recently). There's a real lack of trust in regime and it's based on facts and experience. Next elections are going to be a bloody mess of graft, manipulations and violence we have no legal means to cope with. Offered…

And look what this refusal led to. Wouldn't it make sense to democratically ellect a new president if you don't like this one? At least fewer people would die. And also, you had a president from the opposition and he did absolutely nothing to approach the west. Or maybe it is the case that too many ordinary people of Ukraine don't want to be part of Europe but feel more at home with Russia.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by scrrr »

balladeer wrote: post #89
memracom wrote: post #39

This is a pure propaganda piece that shows nothing other than some skill in video editing and constructing a sound track. Think, people, think. Do you want to spread this message in your countries? This summer when there is an Occupy or 99% demonstration in your country, do you want young men in helmets and masks carrying baseball bats and molotov cocktails to take charge of it? Will you carry a pistol with you at th…

Honestly memracom, you come across as someone who has never seen it, or worse still, never known it or even tried. What's more shocking is your comment is on the top. > Nothing good comes from the kind of violence that these idiots in Kyiv have started. Pick any revolution and you'll know how any good came out of it. This is the last resort and this is the only way. You know why this is the only way? Because the dict…

Isn't the president democratically elected though? heh

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by scrrr »

guard-of-terra wrote: post #110
Kiro wrote: post #66

I don't know. I haven't heard one compelling reason why Ukraine would be a dictatorship. Instead I get emotional videos and clips of what's probably pretty isolated police brutality. Enlighten me please.

Because Russia and Belarus did (clarified:) turn into dictatorships, and Ukraine was following track? For me it would be enough to get scared.

did what?

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by dmytrish »

bonzoq wrote: post #103
mtrimpe wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weren't they peacefully protesting until they were forcefully disbanded by the police?

To my best knowledge and I'm vividly interested in the topic they were not. They were armed from the start. A common type of weapon was a baseball bat with nails. For instance, one of the three oposition leaders, Mr Klitschko (also known for being a world-class heavy-weight boxer), was attacked with a fire extinguisher after he announced a temporary 'cease-fire' to the people on the square. This demonstrates that the…

That's not correct. There were two months of peaceful protest before the Hrushevskogo violence by radicals with bats, there were several raids by police to dismantle Maidan at night when most of people are at home - those efforts were answered peacefully with endurance.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by bayesianhorse »

memracom wrote: post #39

This is a pure propaganda piece that shows nothing other than some skill in video editing and constructing a sound track. Think, people, think. Do you want to spread this message in your countries? This summer when there is an Occupy or 99% demonstration in your country, do you want young men in helmets and masks carrying baseball bats and molotov cocktails to take charge of it? Will you carry a pistol with you at th…

Very sad you have to compare the Ukrainian situation to the Occupy movements. The Occupy movements had no clear or single aim, virtually no public support and where mostly non-violent.

Even the measures taken against them where mostly in accordance with civil rights, even making unusual allowances for destroying other people's property. The actual violent incidences are nothing compared to the Ukrainian situation.

No sign of any civil rights there...

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by guard-of-terra »

345723 wrote: post #10

Ah, political propaganda from the rebels. The problem with videos like this is that they provide no context. It doesn't tell you a damn thing about what's going on. It's a video of a pretty girl shot with a DSLR with a shallow depth of field. Is this even shot in the Ukraine? No idea. Could be a studio pretty much anywhere. I don't know what's going on in Kiev. This wiki article is all I could find that is well cited…

I am Russian and all my Ukrainian friends are "rebels" or neutral.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by bonzoq »

bonzoq wrote: post #103
mtrimpe wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weren't they peacefully protesting until they were forcefully disbanded by the police?

To my best knowledge and I'm vividly interested in the topic they were not. They were armed from the start. A common type of weapon was a baseball bat with nails. For instance, one of the three oposition leaders, Mr Klitschko (also known for being a world-class heavy-weight boxer), was attacked with a fire extinguisher after he announced a temporary 'cease-fire' to the people on the square. This demonstrates that the…

Is blocking government buildings for two months paralysing top offices a peaceful protest? This could not last forever. Again changing the government the usual style is more effective than this.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by higherpurpose »

memracom wrote: post #39

This is a pure propaganda piece that shows nothing other than some skill in video editing and constructing a sound track. Think, people, think. Do you want to spread this message in your countries? This summer when there is an Occupy or 99% demonstration in your country, do you want young men in helmets and masks carrying baseball bats and molotov cocktails to take charge of it? Will you carry a pistol with you at th…

When peaceful protests are made impossible, violent revolutions are inevitable. When you put thousands or tens of thousands of people in a protest, depending on how outraged they are against the government, it might erupt into a violent revolution. It's on the government to not let things get that far, but not when the revolution is already knocking at their doors, but way before that. When they abuse the power, and pass laws banning protests, what do you think is going to happen? Because this is what the Ukranian government did.

I think you simply don't understand the situation. You won't understand what it means to have no hope against changing your government, even when the government continues to abuse you, while you do what to change things somehow, and you can't wait decades for it to happen, because the government's abuses are too much too bear.

Americans only pretend they want to change things, by liking stuff on Facebook, and then they just accept the situation and live with with, because they are too lazy to even go to a protest anymore.

Until Americans learn how to do a protest like what happened with the Arab Spring, and is happening in other countries, I think you need to stop teaching others about how to protest against their governments, deal?

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